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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 4290812" data-attributes="member: 2209">OK, first, take as your example Gandalf from the LotR Movie. A full wizard who is competent in melee. I expect Aragorn or Boromir or Gimli or Legolas from the movie to beat him in a sword/melee weapon fight but he happily wades into mobs of orcs swinging his staff or magic sword Glamdring around and has a great time hacking and slashing well enough to have fun and not get curb stomped.So in 4e he wants all the rituals and cantrips and utility magic and such so we want a base wizard with some multiclassing into a melee oriented class. What can he pick up doing this and how well does he work in 4e? Is he a competent melee combatant or "just have a few tricks for if he gets caught in melee"? Is he good enough at melee to choose melee combat as an effective or nonfoolhardy option?</blockquote>