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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 5277602" data-attributes="member: 2525">Sat, not cool.&nbsp; There is no patronizing tone.&nbsp; There is no prevailing zeitgeist.&nbsp; You asked what people thought of an opinion you have, and they gave you their opinion in return.&nbsp; They simply don't agree with your opinion.&nbsp; It's not cool to group all those answers, that people put thought into, and bash them all in some generalization.Consider the possibility that people just don't agree with you.&nbsp; It happens.Some agree it was easy to use, and others disagree.&nbsp; It's a matter of taste.I completely disagree here.&nbsp; As a DM, who loved 3e and has nothing against it now, it was an absolute nightmare sometimes for me to make challenges well.&nbsp; In 4e, it's a breeze.&nbsp; A lot of that is the electronic tools they give you to use.&nbsp; Perhaps if 3e had better electronic tools it would have also been such a breeze.&nbsp; Regardless, in no way is 4e challenge design from whole cloth, and in no way was 3e challenge design mere tweaking relative to 4e, in my experience.There are plenty of ways to compliment 3e, and criticize 4e, but tweaking vs. whole cloth challenge design? Naw, that does not seem to be a good argument to make from my perspective.First, I do not think the cycle is faster that before.&nbsp; Second, a lot of folks (myself included) loved the Wizard of 4e.Define &quot;many&quot;.&nbsp; Fewer and fewer Mac owners are unable to also run windows on their machines.&nbsp; This sort of issue seems to have died out in the last year and a half or so.&nbsp; I heard this complaint a lot in the beginning, but not so much anymore.&nbsp; People found ways to use the tools.&nbsp; They are being used.&nbsp; Most people use the tools now, in some manner, and like them a lot.Anyway, your complaint was about focus.&nbsp; But, now it seems to be all over the place.&nbsp; You have a scatter-gun approach to your complaint now which...well...lacks focus.&nbsp; Is this just a general list of stuff you don't like about 4e, or is it about the refinement over time issue you seemed to bring up earlier?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 5277602, member: 2525"] Sat, not cool. There is no patronizing tone. There is no prevailing zeitgeist. You asked what people thought of an opinion you have, and they gave you their opinion in return. They simply don't agree with your opinion. It's not cool to group all those answers, that people put thought into, and bash them all in some generalization. Consider the possibility that people just don't agree with you. It happens. Some agree it was easy to use, and others disagree. It's a matter of taste. I completely disagree here. As a DM, who loved 3e and has nothing against it now, it was an absolute nightmare sometimes for me to make challenges well. In 4e, it's a breeze. A lot of that is the electronic tools they give you to use. Perhaps if 3e had better electronic tools it would have also been such a breeze. Regardless, in no way is 4e challenge design from whole cloth, and in no way was 3e challenge design mere tweaking relative to 4e, in my experience. There are plenty of ways to compliment 3e, and criticize 4e, but tweaking vs. whole cloth challenge design? Naw, that does not seem to be a good argument to make from my perspective. First, I do not think the cycle is faster that before. Second, a lot of folks (myself included) loved the Wizard of 4e. Define "many". Fewer and fewer Mac owners are unable to also run windows on their machines. This sort of issue seems to have died out in the last year and a half or so. I heard this complaint a lot in the beginning, but not so much anymore. People found ways to use the tools. They are being used. Most people use the tools now, in some manner, and like them a lot. Anyway, your complaint was about focus. But, now it seems to be all over the place. You have a scatter-gun approach to your complaint now which...well...lacks focus. Is this just a general list of stuff you don't like about 4e, or is it about the refinement over time issue you seemed to bring up earlier? [/QUOTE]

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