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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 5277846" data-attributes="member: 158">Actually, I have a different take on this - when has ENWorld and every other PRG forum NOT adopted a patronizing tone when someone has a different opinion they see as wrong? As long as I've haunted these forums, the circles, and their actions, remain the same - just the names change. It's human nature.As for the response - I'm with Alhazred - I see plenty of focus, and all of the core work was on making the math from levels 1-30 work. Now, the tweaking is being done to &quot;reintroduce&quot; some sacred cows, or more like &quot;see if something that feels like the sacred cows can be reintroduced&quot; built all on the base of that improved ( I would say &quot;restored&quot;) framework. The &quot;slavish devotion&quot; in my opinion happened to be more than 70% of the rulebooks - particularly a huge number of the spells and feats. What you're referring to is basically what someone worked up as MicroLite 20, under the OGL - not &quot;3E + not being a rules slave.&quot;In my experience 3E worked pretty well -- until you hit about 10th level. Then it started getting REAAALLLY hard to keep fun for the DM, and combats and scenarios became a tech race similar to the Soviet and American Cold War. Combat was over in 3 rounds or less, and those rounds were taking half an hour each to play out all the spells, multi-attacks, summoned creatures, dispel magics and disjunctions, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Henry, post: 5277846, member: 158"] Actually, I have a different take on this - when has ENWorld and every other PRG forum NOT adopted a patronizing tone when someone has a different opinion they see as wrong? As long as I've haunted these forums, the circles, and their actions, remain the same - just the names change. It's human nature. As for the response - I'm with Alhazred - I see plenty of focus, and all of the core work was on making the math from levels 1-30 work. Now, the tweaking is being done to "reintroduce" some sacred cows, or more like "see if something that feels like the sacred cows can be reintroduced" built all on the base of that improved ( I would say "restored") framework. The "slavish devotion" in my opinion happened to be more than 70% of the rulebooks - particularly a huge number of the spells and feats. What you're referring to is basically what someone worked up as MicroLite 20, under the OGL - not "3E + not being a rules slave." In my experience 3E worked pretty well -- until you hit about 10th level. Then it started getting REAAALLLY hard to keep fun for the DM, and combats and scenarios became a tech race similar to the Soviet and American Cold War. Combat was over in 3 rounds or less, and those rounds were taking half an hour each to play out all the spells, multi-attacks, summoned creatures, dispel magics and disjunctions, etc. [/QUOTE]

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