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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TikkchikFenTikktikk" data-source="post: 5278411" data-attributes="member: 67494">See my sig.However, I'm a huge fan of D&D in general. I play Rules Compendium D&D/Labyrinth Lord/Tunnels & Trolls houseruled, make it up as you go play-by-email games with my oldest, best friends scattered across the globe.I played D&D and ran 2nd throughout the '90s.I took a break in the early '00s as my career started, and then found a 3.x game where I played my favorite PC of all time in a campaign from 1st to what would have been 20th in the next session but it was the worst week ever and the entire group disbanded. That character was Leibnitz Dalarum Neb Len Vanheddin Tikkchik fen Tikktikk of Reymix, gnome sorcerer. And now I love 4E.You are wrong.4E is the most cohesive and most designed and developed of any version of D&D ever. In fact, that is probably the root cause of most people's dislike of the system. From the mechanics to the flavor to graphic design, if anything 4E is overproduced.Talk about lack of a cohesive vision, ~ offensive religious expression deleted ~ TSR had two mostly incompatible versions of the same branded game on the shelves at once. I'm on the record as calling Essentials "4E Director's Cut Remastered" and saying it's mostly a money grab.But, to be fair, a lot of movies that came out early in the transition from VHS to DVD were poorly mastered. Many from that era have been rereleased to take advantage of the progression of technology. Case-in-point: Blade Runner.It's not a perfect analogy. But the progress of technology applies to RPG design and development too. 4E was a great product when it came out. Tweaks have been made to clarify intent and correct bugs. None of these "Rules Updates" have changed the core of 4E for the worse. The most fundamental changes have been made to skill challenges and just recently the damage by level and monster creation tables. And try to count just the 2nd Edition products that were put out, adjust for inflation, and watch your pocketbook/wife cry."As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They're not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."You have to start somewhere. Technology and progress march ever onward. How do you ever buy anything in the modern age? "Hey! This is a pretty great stove!" --five years pass-- "I wish my stove were more energy efficient/had bigger knobs and a more legible display/had a warming drawer/etc." "Hey! This is a pretty great central air conditioning unit!" --five years pass-- "I wish my central AC unit were more energy efficient/was a two-stage unit/was painted the color of my house or favorite college football team"Clearly you speak for yourself.What is your point, again? You seem to have thought all growth should happen before the baby is born. "Congratulations! It's a 87-year-old man!" --mom and dad cry-- --87-year-old man dies in their arms-- --mom and dad cry--The Pathfinder model is something I expect will never be repeated again. It was a confluence of being in the right place at the right time, the existence of other revenue streams that subsidized the experiment, the lack of an existing product that could suffer an Osborne effect (or the willingness to sacrifice a child), and fanatical users that willingly put up with using an unfinished product.There are plenty of criticisms to be thrown at WotC. People who have been following me know that I've lobbed plenty myself.But if you're going to start this kind of thread at our favorite gaming forum, you need to come with more support and bigger guns.</blockquote>

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