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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 4269261" data-attributes="member: 29014">Ah, but I wouldn't be willing to accept 8 in Int--a penalty is too low to be reasonable for the concept (as you were mentioning raising my Int before, I know you understand).  The three builds I was considering all had Str as the dump stat.  The best exemplar for this discussion is this one (The plan would be to bump Cha and Wis at level 4--several Cha based abilities really need to start getting around +3 to start becoming useful). Str 8Con 16 Dex 10Int 11Wis 18Cha 15 To get Str up to par from 8 without hurting Wis or Cha would give me Con 12 here after racial.  Note that this isn't exactly my build.  The PH has rules for negative point buy, so I bought Dexterity backwards to 8 as well, lost a point in Int, and got another point of Wisdom.  But that probably won't always be available due to the vagueness of the PH, so better to discuss the above build I think (though of note, using up the Dex points and the level 4 stat raise to boost Wis to 20 is another possibility, one that is nearly strictly better than buying Astral Fire, since it increases to hit and damage both by one for all spells using Wisdom).I would not allow an Int penalty for this character, so your exact build is not in discussion, but let's compare to this as-similar-as-possible-to-your-proposal-without-8-Int build: Str 13Con 15Dex 10Int 10Wis 18Cha 15It does give a few more feats, but it only opens up Light Shield and Scale.  There's still a large dearth of options out there.</blockquote>

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