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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mlund" data-source="post: 4269717" data-attributes="member: 50304">Actually, it makes perfect sense to me. Your claim that "that makes absolutely no sense" is a purely subjective judgment on par with "that's useless."Combat Casting is removed because you automatically cast defensively in 4E. Only using Ranged and Area powers provoke Opportunity Attacks now - not casting any old spell.I mistyped Spell Penetration (which I said that I eliminated in the above section) instead of Spell Focus.Greater Spell Focus I must've jumbled with Greater Spell Penetration. Please, add it back to the list.There's an element of danger of trying to work in specifics instead of trying to frame your argument in vague terms and then attack everyone that disagrees with you for "misrepresenting" your position - but the latter is poor form.Because I was under the impression we were discussing a Dwarven Cleric having trouble taking their Second Level feat.In 3rd Edition it isn't. In 4E you get a Feat at your second level. In 3E you've also got an appreciable spread of 1-20 levels as opposed to 1-30 levels in 4E. If you want to compare 3rd level in 3E and 4th level in 4E it might be a little better, though you'd have to deal with those pesky 4E stat-bumps opening up more feat options, and the extra multi-class feat options from 4th level.No. I thought I made it an explicit point to exclude Orisons (not Cantrips - clerics don't have Cantrips) since you already afforded yourself the privilege of deeming things "useless." I've never seen a character with prepared spell-slots burn a feat for the privilege of casting a 0-level spell with Meta-Magic attacked. It is, in my judgment "not useful" or worth spending a feat on.Wait, getting to make more choices constrains your choices because you've already chosen options? I suppose that's true, but I don't think it is actually more restrictive to choose 3 options out of 8 than to choose 2 out of 8 - for example.Can't you just come out and explicitly state that you are upset that they took away your low-level Spell Focus, Greater Spell Focus, and Meta-Magic feat options in 4th Edition then?- Marty Lund</blockquote>

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