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<blockquote data-quote="Emirikol" data-source="post: 4643262" data-attributes="member: 10638">Like many of you, our group is still having trouble with combat grind.&nbsp; Although the players take a little less time per round than in 3E, the combats are taking a lot longer in terms of rounds.&nbsp; Also, the combats are pretty much decided about an hour into a 2 hour large combat so the remainder of the rounds is just &quot;grinding it out.&quot;At first, I thought this was simply due to higher hit points and lower damage amounts, however I'm starting to lean towards a flaw in the system itself:&nbsp; 4e is inherently a one-trick pony system.&nbsp; It encourages the striker, defender, etc. roles maybe a little too much.So, I've been told to suck it up as a DM and ONLY throw encounters at the PC's that coddle this system-encouraged, one-trick behavior.&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Minions, lots of minions&quot; has been the answer to everything.&nbsp;&nbsp; I dunno about the rest of you, but as a DM, I find these blame-the-DM for the foreverness of non-coddled encounter comments kind of offensive.If I'm running a scenario, is it the DM's fault if the combats grind on and on and on and on because of the players fell for being pigeonholed into a smaller-than-life role for their 4e character.Wouldn't just a little diversity of skills help this out or is it just &quot;something about the 4e system?&quot;Is having to &quot;just end the combat early&quot; maybe just a crappy way of saying that we need a houserule to bandage a 4e bug?I'm not saying this stuff to pick a fight, because like most, I'm stuck with 4e.&nbsp; It's what my players want to play..but I've just got a couple annoying 4e bugs that I'd like to squash without having to resort to just throwing tons of Mortal Combat minions at the PC's.[edit:&nbsp; does encouraging PC multiclassing help?]Please advise,Jh..</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emirikol, post: 4643262, member: 10638"] Like many of you, our group is still having trouble with combat grind. Although the players take a little less time per round than in 3E, the combats are taking a lot longer in terms of rounds. Also, the combats are pretty much decided about an hour into a 2 hour large combat so the remainder of the rounds is just "grinding it out." At first, I thought this was simply due to higher hit points and lower damage amounts, however I'm starting to lean towards a flaw in the system itself: 4e is inherently a one-trick pony system. It encourages the striker, defender, etc. roles maybe a little too much. So, I've been told to suck it up as a DM and ONLY throw encounters at the PC's that coddle this system-encouraged, one-trick behavior. "Minions, lots of minions" has been the answer to everything. I dunno about the rest of you, but as a DM, I find these blame-the-DM for the foreverness of non-coddled encounter comments kind of offensive. If I'm running a scenario, is it the DM's fault if the combats grind on and on and on and on because of the players fell for being pigeonholed into a smaller-than-life role for their 4e character. Wouldn't just a little diversity of skills help this out or is it just "something about the 4e system?" Is having to "just end the combat early" maybe just a crappy way of saying that we need a houserule to bandage a 4e bug? I'm not saying this stuff to pick a fight, because like most, I'm stuck with 4e. It's what my players want to play..but I've just got a couple annoying 4e bugs that I'd like to squash without having to resort to just throwing tons of Mortal Combat minions at the PC's. [edit: does encouraging PC multiclassing help?] Please advise, Jh .. [/QUOTE]

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