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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sundragon2012" data-source="post: 3817128" data-attributes="member: 7624">Absolutely, White Wolf, GURPS, Palladium, Mongoose, etc. have created a very successful number of RPGs outside the bounds of WoTC and are actually WoTC's competition. I don't know their market share but they seem to be doing fine.However, D&D is from everything I have seen often synonomous with role-playing games for good or ill. Probably the latter actually. Its like Microsoft vs. everyone else. In the RPing game niche market WoTC's position as the owner of the IP that is the game that gets most people started in RPing games in the first place makes them very important. Neither myself nor the great majority of folks I have known who DM/Play RPing games would have ever gotten into them if it weren't for D&D. I think this is probably the case for most people though I can't prove this.If WoTC tanks, D&D tanks and if D&D tanks many people will not even be exposed to RPing games at all. WoTC has the power and resources to market and promote like no other company in the industry and I belive if D&D were to fail, RPing gaming, which are already an obscure and esoteric hobby for most, would dwindle to the point of near non-existance. Maybe I'm wrong, but the brand recognition that is D&D makes it THE game most everyone playes first. Is it the best game ever, not necessarily, but it sure seems that every young gamer's memories are of OD&D, AD&D, AD&D2e, 3e or 3.5 as the game that first allowed them to know RPing even existed.If D&D died I believe the hobby would survive with White Wolf taking the reigns as RPing game superpower followed by Mongoose, Green Ronin and maybe some others but I doubt they have the capital to really draw new gamers into the hobby and without new blood the hobby, as anything more than grognards playing with 15-20yr old books, will die.I don't want change for changes sake, I want things I don't like (Vancian magic, Alignment mechanics, D&D heroes as christmas trees, talent trees instead of PrCs, etc.) changed. It seems that 4e is going in a direction I like. That's fine to each his own. You are satisfied with 3.5 as it is. I, on the other hand am not which is why I stopped playing it. Right now Conan D20 and True20 are more my cup o' tea but I'll give 4e a fair trial to see what it brings to the table. If it is what I want I will go with it. If not I will stick with Conan D20 and True20. If True20 makes some changes to fill in the blanks with the next edition I might not even bother much with 4e at all. We'll see.Sundragon</blockquote>

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