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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 3725502" data-attributes="member: 5100"><p>It's a straw-man.  There seem to be a gaggle of people who are convinced that arguing in an Internet forum that they're screwed because they don't have Internet access is a tenable argument.</p><p></p><p>They also insist that they will be paying in perpetuity for any online content, despite direct and explicit statements from WotC that DDI content will be downloadable and usable, even if you drop your subscription.</p><p></p><p>And, of course, that we are being forced to pay for what used to be free wizards.com material.  Again, this is despite explicit statements that there will still be free content, including, but not limited to, FAQs, errata, and most of what was already free.  In fairness, wizards.com has had some odd blips of late that are making it hard to get at some things.</p><p></p><p>Plus, I think there are still a few people who take migrating Dragon and Dungeon to an online format as a personal affront.  I don't understand how the same kinds of articles, written by the same general pool of people, about the same game, and offered at a lower price can be a bad thing, but that's just me.  I would be very, very interested to see how many of the same people have complained that WotC should be offering more PDF products, though.</p><p></p><p>Besides, there are also people who accuse WotC of being money-grubbing, goat <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />ers (I don't even know what a "<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />er" is, but the filter apparently does) because they don't immediately release everything to the SRD where it can be accessed for free.</p><p></p><p>I actually think that the "DDI is evil" firebrands tend to marginalize themselves because they outright ignore reality.  How long can you take seriously someone who carries on like this:</p><p></p><p>Firebrand:  DDI sucks.  You won't be able to play 4E without it.</p><p>WotC:  Actually, DDI will be about as important to 4E as Dragon and Dungeon were to 3E.</p><p>Firebrand:  Yeah, but all the errata will be for pay.</p><p>WotC:  Nope.  We'll release that for free.</p><p>F:  But all the sourcebooks will be DDI only.</p><p>W:  We'll continue to put out hardcovers on a regular basis.</p><p>F:  DDI killed Dragon and we'll never be able to refer to "rember issue 151" again.</p><p>W:  Um... Dragon 151 comes out in October.  The articles will be from the same author pool that wrote recent Dragons.</p><p>F:  But the core books won't work without DDI.</p><p>W:  The core books will contain a full set of rules.</p><p>F:  DDI still sucks, and you're greedy bastards.</p><p>W:  DDI isn't required to play 4E.</p><p>F:  Is too.</p><p>W:  Um...</p><p>F:  Hah!  See, you admit it.</p><p>W:  ...</p><p>F:  No come back to that one, eh?</p><p>W:  I'm outta here.</p><p>F:  That's right walk away because you know I'm right!</p><p></p><p>Anyway, that's pretty much what I've gotten out of the last week.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 3725502, member: 5100"] It's a straw-man. There seem to be a gaggle of people who are convinced that arguing in an Internet forum that they're screwed because they don't have Internet access is a tenable argument. They also insist that they will be paying in perpetuity for any online content, despite direct and explicit statements from WotC that DDI content will be downloadable and usable, even if you drop your subscription. And, of course, that we are being forced to pay for what used to be free wizards.com material. Again, this is despite explicit statements that there will still be free content, including, but not limited to, FAQs, errata, and most of what was already free. In fairness, wizards.com has had some odd blips of late that are making it hard to get at some things. Plus, I think there are still a few people who take migrating Dragon and Dungeon to an online format as a personal affront. I don't understand how the same kinds of articles, written by the same general pool of people, about the same game, and offered at a lower price can be a bad thing, but that's just me. I would be very, very interested to see how many of the same people have complained that WotC should be offering more PDF products, though. Besides, there are also people who accuse WotC of being money-grubbing, goat :):):):):)ers (I don't even know what a ":):):):):)er" is, but the filter apparently does) because they don't immediately release everything to the SRD where it can be accessed for free. I actually think that the "DDI is evil" firebrands tend to marginalize themselves because they outright ignore reality. How long can you take seriously someone who carries on like this: Firebrand: DDI sucks. You won't be able to play 4E without it. WotC: Actually, DDI will be about as important to 4E as Dragon and Dungeon were to 3E. Firebrand: Yeah, but all the errata will be for pay. WotC: Nope. We'll release that for free. F: But all the sourcebooks will be DDI only. W: We'll continue to put out hardcovers on a regular basis. F: DDI killed Dragon and we'll never be able to refer to "rember issue 151" again. W: Um... Dragon 151 comes out in October. The articles will be from the same author pool that wrote recent Dragons. F: But the core books won't work without DDI. W: The core books will contain a full set of rules. F: DDI still sucks, and you're greedy bastards. W: DDI isn't required to play 4E. F: Is too. W: Um... F: Hah! See, you admit it. W: ... F: No come back to that one, eh? W: I'm outta here. F: That's right walk away because you know I'm right! Anyway, that's pretty much what I've gotten out of the last week. [/QUOTE]
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