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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 3949004" data-attributes="member: 2067">Ah. At least here, I've got some hard evidence that there was at least one significant COMPLETE FAILURE OF IMAGINATION from the 4e team. "Gods don't need to make sense for anything other than PC's" is over-simplistic and ends up with nonsensical results. Gods need to be campaign elements, suffusing the setting and adding sort of names and faces to the forces that shape the world, including things useful for PC's and things that would be more useful for barkeeps, merchants, and farmers.Fortunately, it's (probably) a minor issue to scrap the pantheon and go with another one. In fact, I've got a VERY cool one in mind, one that addresses metaphysical, practical, and adventuring concerns all. 12 gods, from a shy god of death to a bloodthirsty god of agricultre to a pistol-wielding goddess of invention, to an interloper Great Evil from Beyond The Stars, to even, yes, a goddess of doorways and luck who PC's will be happy to worship. I'm pretty cool with everything else they do. I'm not keen on the deities being directly slay-able necessarily, but there's a grand tradition for it in D&D, and I won't begrudge it, and it's easier to pretend those are "avatar stats" then to give stats for gods after the fact. I'm fairly unconcerned about it.But I DO think this is an unfortunate example of deeply, deeply flawed logic about what gods are supposed to do in a game, and a tragic moment where they focused too keenly on "killing things and taking their stuff," missing out almost entirely on what gods need to be to be useful, at least, to me.For a DM like me, that's less useful, because I have no idea what's going to happen when I sit down to DM a game. I might need that old man on the street's initiative, if he gets in a fistfight with a rambunctious PC, and I might need to know his Perform skill modifier if he wants to serenade a lovely PC, and "make stuff up" sucks as a rule. As far as these gods go, the narrow focus is a little concerning, because I need gods for more than just cleric-power and epic-level beat-em-ups. I need them for churches, for people in times of famine and plauge, for motivating the founding of cities, for justifying atrocities, for being reborn on the bodies of PC's....I need them deeper than it seems they were considered.</blockquote>

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