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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 5280824" data-attributes="member: 59057">And still we are at: we can do an 18 Con infernal warlock which is quite good already (+2 to non correlated off stats that are secondary for a build)18 Con, 16 Int, 13 Cha as final stats.result: all tiefling helllocks look (nearly) the same, and other hellocks are actually seem better for tieflings.now (with the choice of Cha OR Con) we could have the very balanced 18 Con, 16 int, 14 Cha, 13 Dex or the (too?) strong 18/18/13/11 (with all that feat support) build, or the all in 20/16/11 build.Actually a bit bigger difference than the dwarven fighter optimization.When I think about it, i hope Tieflings are +2 Cha, +2 Con or Int. This would more or less retain the overall balance and since tiefling racial relies on charisma would seem to be a better fit.Also we have a slight hint, that we won´t get a CON/INT race.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 5280824, member: 59057"] And still we are at: we can do an 18 Con infernal warlock which is quite good already (+2 to non correlated off stats that are secondary for a build) 18 Con, 16 Int, 13 Cha as final stats. result: all tiefling helllocks look (nearly) the same, and other hellocks are actually seem better for tieflings. now (with the choice of Cha OR Con) we could have the very balanced 18 Con, 16 int, 14 Cha, 13 Dex or the (too?) strong 18/18/13/11 (with all that feat support) build, or the all in 20/16/11 build. Actually a bit bigger difference than the dwarven fighter optimization. When I think about it, i hope Tieflings are +2 Cha, +2 Con or Int. This would more or less retain the overall balance and since tiefling racial relies on charisma would seem to be a better fit. Also we have a slight hint, that we won´t get a CON/INT race. [/QUOTE]

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