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[4e] Readied Slow vs. Double Move
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<blockquote data-quote="Syrsuro" data-source="post: 4564564" data-attributes="member: 58162"><p>Please resolve this contradiction:</p><p> </p><p>A: You have often taken the position that a double-move is declared before starting a move and that it is therefore a single 'thing'.</p><p>B: <Given> Characters can normally take an action, resolve that action, and then decide what their next action will be.</p><p>C: <Given> Characters can downgrade standard actions to move actions.</p><p>D: You have just stated that A character who takes two consecutive walk move actions is automatically taking a double move and that two consecutive walk actions cannot be taken without being a double move.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Now consider: A character who takes a move action to walk and then, upon completion of that move action, decides to downgrade their standard action to a move action and walk again.</p><p> </p><p>Based on A they are not taking a double move because they have not declared that they are taking a double move ("the speeds are added together before you move, and you <em>are</em>, in effect, taking a special single action 'thing'.").</p><p> </p><p>Based on D they are taking a double move because "There is no provision for taking the same move action twice in a row without it being a double move. "</p><p> </p><p>So which is it? </p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Is a double move something that must be declared ahead of time and if you take two consecutive moves without declaring it to be a double move it's not a double move - it's just two single moves, one after the other?</li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Or is a double move a consequence of taking two consecutive moves, whether or not they are declared, and thus the decision point of whether or not you are taking a double move can be delayed until after your first move is complete (or, alternately, until just before your first move ends and the synergistic effect would apply)?</li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Or are you going to say that a character who fails to declare a double move before taking his first move action to walk is now forbidden from downgrading his standard to a move and walking again because he didn't make that prior declaration.</li> </ul><p>(Personally, I hold that you declare the <em>intent</em> to make a double move before you start moving, but it doesn't <em>become</em> double move until you pass a point you could not have reached if you had only done a single move. And thus if you are interrupted before you reach that point, you may have had the <em>intent</em> of making a double move but you were prevented from taking that double move and have instead only taken a single move. And thus you have a move action left. I do require the downgrade of standard action to move action as a part of that declaration of intent however - you have a move action left, not a standard action). </p><p> </p><p>Carl</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Syrsuro, post: 4564564, member: 58162"] Please resolve this contradiction: A: You have often taken the position that a double-move is declared before starting a move and that it is therefore a single 'thing'. B: <Given> Characters can normally take an action, resolve that action, and then decide what their next action will be. C: <Given> Characters can downgrade standard actions to move actions. D: You have just stated that A character who takes two consecutive walk move actions is automatically taking a double move and that two consecutive walk actions cannot be taken without being a double move. Now consider: A character who takes a move action to walk and then, upon completion of that move action, decides to downgrade their standard action to a move action and walk again. Based on A they are not taking a double move because they have not declared that they are taking a double move ("the speeds are added together before you move, and you [I]are[/I], in effect, taking a special single action 'thing'."). Based on D they are taking a double move because "There is no provision for taking the same move action twice in a row without it being a double move. " So which is it? [LIST] [*]Is a double move something that must be declared ahead of time and if you take two consecutive moves without declaring it to be a double move it's not a double move - it's just two single moves, one after the other? [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Or is a double move a consequence of taking two consecutive moves, whether or not they are declared, and thus the decision point of whether or not you are taking a double move can be delayed until after your first move is complete (or, alternately, until just before your first move ends and the synergistic effect would apply)? [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Or are you going to say that a character who fails to declare a double move before taking his first move action to walk is now forbidden from downgrading his standard to a move and walking again because he didn't make that prior declaration. [/LIST](Personally, I hold that you declare the [I]intent[/I] to make a double move before you start moving, but it doesn't [I]become[/I] double move until you pass a point you could not have reached if you had only done a single move. And thus if you are interrupted before you reach that point, you may have had the [I]intent[/I] of making a double move but you were prevented from taking that double move and have instead only taken a single move. And thus you have a move action left. I do require the downgrade of standard action to move action as a part of that declaration of intent however - you have a move action left, not a standard action). Carl [/QUOTE]
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