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Message: <blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 7556066" data-attributes="member: 1165">A lot of this does not sound like 4e.This may be the case, but I think this was to 4e's detriment. There were so many weak classes built over the course of 4e, many of which either tried to cover multiple roles, or performed their primarily role poorly. (In previous editions, usually splats made PCs stronger. 4e might have the first to do the opposite.) I think the only one of those core four that did the two roles well was the fighter, although the sentinel druid might have made a decent leader.I don't like that idea. Wizards made really good controllers, and not really good artillery. Yes, building a controller is harder. The best way to do it, IMO, is to make sure there's a good selection of controlling spells, and few if any non-control spells. Otherwise you could end up with PCs like the 2e cleric with the Death sphere, and not the healing sphere. (See the invoker mention for that.)I'm not a big fan of lots of classes, so this is something I could get behind. As for the invoker, I'd rather see it a separate class. If you want to do the unholy guy who does necromancy, or a storm cleric who doesn't do healing, that's what the invoker is about.I don't agree with this. If you have a melee attack that also slows, you're basically a defender. That ability does not belong on a PC with low hit points and low AC.I would be fine with that, provided there are at-will spells right from the start. I don't like the whole "three Magic Missiles and I'm done" school of thought at any level.I found this made things hard to balance, especially at later levels when older 4e classes were getting three daily powers. (My recollection of the bladesinger was also something very weak... but IIRC there were two similar classes, and I might be confusing which of the two had confused weak roles.)I think you are better off focusing on the monster side of things. I don't see how trying to introduce 4e elements but mainly the parts that did not involve mechanical rigor makes things better, when trying to emulate 4e.</blockquote>

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