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Message: <blockquote data-quote="maggot" data-source="post: 4066401" data-attributes="member: 1005">First of all, I'm not a 4e fan.  But this this thread isn't for 4e fans.I read the 4e rogue, thinking it might turn out to be really neat and perhaps change my mind a bit.  And I was underwhelmed.So I thought I'd start a discussion of what's wrong with the 4e rogue as spoiled.  If you are a 4e fan, I'd appreciate it if you don't derail the thread.My problems with the 4e rogue:Specific lists of weapons.  Ick.  You add a new weapon, you have to modify all classes.Specific armor.  Same problem.Hard coded skills.  Easy enough to house rule back, though.Those little bonuses like +1 to attack with daggers, extra damage with shuriken.  I thought 4e was supposed to go away from this kind of garbage.  (One of my least favorite parts of 3/3.5 is stuff like this.)Those little bonuses are hard-coded.  Harder to house rule away than the skills, and annoying that every rogue in the multiverse is better with a dagger.The various sets of numbers you get. 12+con hit points at first level, 6+con mod healing surges, 5 hit points/level.  Couldn't they have consolidated these into one number?On the plus side, the powers don't bother me too much.  Not as much as I thought they would.  Actually, I kind of liked some of them.  I realize this is an abbreviated list.</blockquote>