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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 4188411" data-attributes="member: 54629">I figured as much. You should've seen them ... They're mostly dead now but back before last August, they were overflowing with threads titled "X, Y, or Z is teh brokenzorz!!!11".Makes sense to me. I think for a lot of people their "hate" was either unrealized or else it manifested itself in less obvious ways. Without something seemingly better to compare 3.5 to, they just stuck with 3.5 because that seemed like the best system out there at the time and because all of their friends were playing it. In my particular case, before the 4e announcement, my group and I were already becoming fairly disillusioned with 3.5 but we stuck with it because we weren't really interested in learning a whole new gaming system. You could say that we're going to have to learn a new system with 4e, but a) it's only partially a new system (it's still d20) and b) 4e is exciting (which makes us want to learn it) whereas 3.5, when compared to what 4e is promising us, has become nothing but a chore.This is what I was trying to say ... only you've said it much more succinctly than I have. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />To give another example from my experience: in the two years that I had been playing and DMing 3.5 prior to the announcement of 4e, I ended up making so many houserules in an attempt to "fix" 3.5 that we might as well have been playing a completely different game anyway ...This is also what I've been trying to say put more succinctly than how I said it.</blockquote>

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