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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3782319" data-attributes="member: 2011">"I think thou dost proclaim too much."In 30 years of playing DND and other RPGs, I have very rarely seen the amount of proclamation of Roleplaying that I have seen on these boards.Many people here shout to the heavens "WE ROLEPLAY", but in real at the table games, I can count on two fingers the number of players who were really immersed into their character as much as people here claim that their group is. And that's out of more than a hundred different players that I have ever played with.In all of those years, most people, especially guys, play a competitive game. Their PCs are out to succeed. The players are not thespians, not even close. They sometimes stay in character, but mostly not. Sometimes when players are in character, it's to get a laugh rather than to immerse themselves.I have heard "Grog (insert PC name here) goes up to the bar and orders a drink" 20 or more times for every 1 "I sauter up to the bar: "Hey barkeep, what nasty brew do you have today?"", let alone a voice in an accent.The vast majority of players I have ever played with do a background sheet, then they go off and forget half of it. Every once in a while as DM, I bring in some organization or nemesis that they forgot about and they go "Oh yeah.".I really think it is some form of self imposed status symbol to come to the boards here and shout "MY GROUP ROLEPLAYS". "Roleplaying is the important thing to us."In our group, we just show up and have fun and don't worry about all that holier than thou RP crap. Sometimes we RP a little. Sometimes, we don't. I cannot comprehend a group that does it even most of the time like people here seem to indicate, because I have never seen it. I've seen it for two players total where my first thought was, this guy is a roleplayer, but not for a group. I think on average, more people are competitve and too lazy to roleplay well, than they are even vaguely thespian-like. It's not human nature for the vast majority of people and from my experience, the vast majority of gamers. I think RPing for most people is telling the DM what their PC is doing. But that is only my 30 years of experience observing over a hundred gamers talking.Note: I have seen a lot of RPing on message boards where people with specific motivations get together to join an online group, but never at a table. I also think it is expected by definition online more.Ok, you can go back to your regularly scheduled debate on whether the designers should offer RPing advice or not. Personally, I think it would be fine either way because from my experience, it ain't gonna matter much anyhow. YMMV and obviously does.</blockquote>

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