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<blockquote data-quote="Lizard" data-source="post: 4088754" data-attributes="member: 1054">And smart DMs anticipate this and build their worlds to account for the perversity of players...It's been commented that many changes in the way 4e abilities work was to keep the DM from having to play the monsters stupid -- because otherwise the wizard is toast first round and there's nothing the players can reasonably do to stop it. Both the powering up of PCs and the changes in monster design were intended to increase balance in combat. By the same token, it's not good to expect players to play their characters as stupid -- if they've got powers useful out of combat, they will use them out of combat, as often as they can. The DM -- and the world -- need to account for this. The PCs won't be the first with such powers in all of demi-human history, and towns, cities, and nations have all learned to account for them and act accordingly. Just as suspect 3e casters are bound, gagged, and roughly woken every four hours, all 4e characters will find there are precautions taken against them, whether it's dark pit cells with no LOS to anything, magical chains of force which can't be broken by martial exploits, or what not. Because you heal fully in 6 hours, traditional battle tactics of wounding enemies to drain a foes resources caring for them are out; all combat is lethal and you don't leave any enemy soldiers alive if you can CDG them. Because 'minions' die from any damage, low-damage traps (cheap to make) surround outlying farms (and alarms sound so you can intercept the non-minion kobolds which survive). Etc. Things like this make the world feel believable -- and if you don't believe in the world, how can you have fun pretending to save it from evil?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lizard, post: 4088754, member: 1054"] And smart DMs anticipate this and build their worlds to account for the perversity of players... It's been commented that many changes in the way 4e abilities work was to keep the DM from having to play the monsters stupid -- because otherwise the wizard is toast first round and there's nothing the players can reasonably do to stop it. Both the powering up of PCs and the changes in monster design were intended to increase balance in combat. By the same token, it's not good to expect players to play their characters as stupid -- if they've got powers useful out of combat, they will use them out of combat, as often as they can. The DM -- and the world -- need to account for this. The PCs won't be the first with such powers in all of demi-human history, and towns, cities, and nations have all learned to account for them and act accordingly. Just as suspect 3e casters are bound, gagged, and roughly woken every four hours, all 4e characters will find there are precautions taken against them, whether it's dark pit cells with no LOS to anything, magical chains of force which can't be broken by martial exploits, or what not. Because you heal fully in 6 hours, traditional battle tactics of wounding enemies to drain a foes resources caring for them are out; all combat is lethal and you don't leave any enemy soldiers alive if you can CDG them. Because 'minions' die from any damage, low-damage traps (cheap to make) surround outlying farms (and alarms sound so you can intercept the non-minion kobolds which survive). Etc. Things like this make the world feel believable -- and if you don't believe in the world, how can you have fun pretending to save it from evil? [/QUOTE]

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