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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4126150" data-attributes="member: 4937">The extra coaching is probably the biggest single improvement between 3e and 4e - assuming that they actually come through with that.I don't see alot of mechanical improvements.&nbsp; I see some tradeoffs.&nbsp; I see some personal preferences coming to the fore.&nbsp; I see benefits to a certain style of play at the expense of another.But alot of the advice they've been giving about encounter design, trap design, and the use of skills is spot on.&nbsp; It's annoying that they keep saying, &quot;In 3e you couldn't do this.&quot;, when they should be saying, &quot;In 3e we didn't tell anyone to do this, you had to learn on your own.&quot;&nbsp; But still, if the DMG is as well written as it seems it could be this iteration, it might be the best DMG since the first one.And that I think is a very high standard to meet.&nbsp; If its a better DMG than the 1st one (which had alot of bad advice along with the good), then I'll buy it even if I don't intend to play the system.&nbsp; Simply because I still thumb through the 1st edition DMG for ideas even though I know longer use the system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4126150, member: 4937"] The extra coaching is probably the biggest single improvement between 3e and 4e - assuming that they actually come through with that. I don't see alot of mechanical improvements. I see some tradeoffs. I see some personal preferences coming to the fore. I see benefits to a certain style of play at the expense of another. But alot of the advice they've been giving about encounter design, trap design, and the use of skills is spot on. It's annoying that they keep saying, "In 3e you couldn't do this.", when they should be saying, "In 3e we didn't tell anyone to do this, you had to learn on your own." But still, if the DMG is as well written as it seems it could be this iteration, it might be the best DMG since the first one. And that I think is a very high standard to meet. If its a better DMG than the 1st one (which had alot of bad advice along with the good), then I'll buy it even if I don't intend to play the system. Simply because I still thumb through the 1st edition DMG for ideas even though I know longer use the system. [/QUOTE]

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