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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4127013" data-attributes="member: 4937">It seems to me that it has always been true that the DM decides the outcome of a skill check, regardless of whether you succeed or fail.&nbsp; Are you suggesting that its not possible for a 3e DM to have an 'escape from the city' scenario that depends on the outcome of one (or a 100) hide checks?&nbsp; Ditto for 4e.&nbsp;&nbsp; I haven't played 'Escape from Sembia' so I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about, but I would be very surprised if this was not the case.&nbsp; The only way it would stop being the case is if D&amp;D became a 'fortune at the beginning' narrative system in which the player could specify the outcome of the skill check and the DM was somehow obligated (rather than encouraged) to provide that as a potential outcome.&nbsp;&nbsp; Based on the discussion, some people seemed to interpret the skill challenge in that way.&nbsp; I think its more of an example of making sure a situation is not so abstract that it can't be used in tournament style play, rather than a constraint on how 'Can you escape the city' is handled in the general case, but I'd actually have to read the text.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4127013, member: 4937"] It seems to me that it has always been true that the DM decides the outcome of a skill check, regardless of whether you succeed or fail. Are you suggesting that its not possible for a 3e DM to have an 'escape from the city' scenario that depends on the outcome of one (or a 100) hide checks? Ditto for 4e. I haven't played 'Escape from Sembia' so I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about, but I would be very surprised if this was not the case. The only way it would stop being the case is if D&D became a 'fortune at the beginning' narrative system in which the player could specify the outcome of the skill check and the DM was somehow obligated (rather than encouraged) to provide that as a potential outcome. Based on the discussion, some people seemed to interpret the skill challenge in that way. I think its more of an example of making sure a situation is not so abstract that it can't be used in tournament style play, rather than a constraint on how 'Can you escape the city' is handled in the general case, but I'd actually have to read the text. [/QUOTE]

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