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<blockquote data-quote="Just Another User" data-source="post: 4129704" data-attributes="member: 23516">Oh, that was what you meant with &quot;secure the corpse&quot;? Then I apologize, it was late and I must have missed or misunderstood the sentence. But still I'm not totally persuaded, for example what if the ranger's thievery check was not the 6 success but the fourth?&nbsp; Or to use a more extreme (and rule lawyerish) example, he just cut the rope? He don't need a skill check for that, no failed skill check, no failed challenge, right? (ok, this is a little extreme), or if he did another thing, like&nbsp; a perception check to see if the black satyr is somewhere around? Or an knowledge arcana to see what poison was used in the corpse? if he succed the challenge is won? Do skill check unrelated to the challenge (i.e. that reasonably don't help, nor hinder the challenge count against the challenge limits?I still think the system is too gamist for my taste, but I agree that everything that could have been said was already been said and is pointless to continue the discussion, not until we see the complete rules, at least.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Just Another User, post: 4129704, member: 23516"] Oh, that was what you meant with "secure the corpse"? Then I apologize, it was late and I must have missed or misunderstood the sentence. But still I'm not totally persuaded, for example what if the ranger's thievery check was not the 6 success but the fourth? Or to use a more extreme (and rule lawyerish) example, he just cut the rope? He don't need a skill check for that, no failed skill check, no failed challenge, right? (ok, this is a little extreme), or if he did another thing, like a perception check to see if the black satyr is somewhere around? Or an knowledge arcana to see what poison was used in the corpse? if he succed the challenge is won? Do skill check unrelated to the challenge (i.e. that reasonably don't help, nor hinder the challenge count against the challenge limits? I still think the system is too gamist for my taste, but I agree that everything that could have been said was already been said and is pointless to continue the discussion, not until we see the complete rules, at least. [/QUOTE]

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