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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4137029" data-attributes="member: 22779">Just calling this bit out.You are exactly right.&nbsp; If I, as the player, give more exacting description of my actions, that should have an impact on the resolution of the action in 3e.But, by RAW, it doesn't.&nbsp; A search check checks a 5 foot cube.&nbsp; End of story as far as RAW is concerned.&nbsp; The DC for both checks you outlined should be, by RAW, identical.&nbsp; If I search the desk, I search the desk, regarless of how I describe it.Now, I agree with you that a DM will likely take the description into account, but, that's not the issue here.&nbsp; The issue here is how the rules are presented in the RAW.&nbsp; There is nothing in the text of the Search skill which talks about more detailed actions.&nbsp; You make your search check, you find/don't find something.&nbsp; You don't state what you are looking for or how.&nbsp; You simply move within 10 feet and roll your Search check.That's where the difference is coming in I think.&nbsp; 4e will explicitly (apparently) tell all players that describing what they want to do before making a skill check is imperative.&nbsp; In a skill challenge, you should not be able to simply Take 20 on a Search check and find everything you could possibly find in that 5x5x5 space.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 4137029, member: 22779"] Just calling this bit out. You are exactly right. If I, as the player, give more exacting description of my actions, that should have an impact on the resolution of the action in 3e. But, by RAW, it doesn't. A search check checks a 5 foot cube. End of story as far as RAW is concerned. The DC for both checks you outlined should be, by RAW, identical. If I search the desk, I search the desk, regarless of how I describe it. Now, I agree with you that a DM will likely take the description into account, but, that's not the issue here. The issue here is how the rules are presented in the RAW. There is nothing in the text of the Search skill which talks about more detailed actions. You make your search check, you find/don't find something. You don't state what you are looking for or how. You simply move within 10 feet and roll your Search check. That's where the difference is coming in I think. 4e will explicitly (apparently) tell all players that describing what they want to do before making a skill check is imperative. In a skill challenge, you should not be able to simply Take 20 on a Search check and find everything you could possibly find in that 5x5x5 space. [/QUOTE]

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