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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 4137125" data-attributes="member: 3424"><p>On this issue, one advantage that I see in having a system where multiple successes are required to overcome a challenge (such as the 4e skill system) is that you can have a simpler and more explicit framework to describe how much you allow player ability to compensate for character ability. If you required three successful skill checks to persuade a nobleman, for example, you could allow player ability to contribute up to one, two, or all three successes, depending on many successful skill checks you want to require of the character. Conceptually, it's not very different from the 3e idea of allowing player ability to add a bonus to the skill check, but it seems more clear and intuitive (at least to me) to say that I would not allow player ability to contribute more than half the necessary number of successes than to say that I would not allow player ability to grant more than a +4 bonus to a skill check.</p></blockquote><p></p>