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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 3758553" data-attributes="member: 48965">Mallus, I get what you and others are saying...but can you at least admit that either something is screwy with the CL ratings(there's still no way I'm conceding that a single stormtrooper is a challenge for four PC's, even if none of them are jedi), or the PC's can be more powerful than the designer's originally expected.  I can see using the setup above once in a while, but everytime they fight stormtroopers the environment hinders them, I don't think my player's would be cool with that after the nth time I pull it.  In the movies the stormtroopers are mooks.  But the SW book makes no distinction like this and clearly gives them a CL of 1(if they're mooks wouldn't a CL of 1/2 or even 1/4 be better).  Now the article cited by another poster is great, if you have internet service and didn't start playing till it was published...but the rulebook should stand alone and issues like this(especially for those just getting into rpg's) should be addressed in the book.Once again let me state I understand this in a game based of the Star Wars tropes...it wasn't what I expected after running D&D 3.5, but it's Star Wars not D&D.  I brought this up mainly as a point for the designers of 4e to consider.  If you rate a Hobgoblin at CL 1 and I have to throw in artificial factors to make not 1 but 4 or more of him a real challenge for PC's something is a little off, once again in D&D 4e not Star Wars.</blockquote>

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