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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5372871" data-attributes="member: 71571">Simple.&nbsp; The first and foremost advantage of hidden is that your enemies have no awareness of your location or your movement.&nbsp; This advantage does not go away until -after- the action that broke stealth.&nbsp; This means that the character with the readied action never gets to trigger his readied action, because no movement occured that he was aware of.The goblin appears when it loses the invisibility garnered from being hidden.&nbsp; It loses this invisbility after the end of the action in which it breaks stealth.&nbsp; It's REALLY simple:&nbsp; Appearing is what happens when it loses the benefits of stealth.&nbsp; It cannot simultaneously benefit from stealth and not have the benefits of stealth.&nbsp; Having the benefits of being hidden is a binary state.&nbsp;Assuming the teleporting character is not hidden, then its enemies are fully aware of its movement and location at all time.&nbsp; The rules do not make an exception for teleportation.&nbsp; Therefore teleportation follows the exact same rules of awareness as every other form of movement in the game.&nbsp; Not to mention, teleportation isn't even all that uncommon--combatants would expect it unless they've never heard of 'eladrin.'&nbsp;&nbsp; And eladrin are not an uncommon race in most worlds.Moreover... where is it written that teleportation is some invisible thing that circumvents rules of stealth and chicanary?&nbsp; Where is it written that it is inherently silent, and has no visual effects?&nbsp; Where is it described to be different than other effects, and therefore should receive special treatment?At the end of the teleporting action he is not in total concealment, and therefore cannot make his stealth check to become hidden.&nbsp; Without the stealth check to become hidden, he does not gain the benefits of being hidden.&nbsp; Even if he did, he has also lost the benefits of being hidden after the action in which he teleports.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5372871, member: 71571"] Simple. The first and foremost advantage of hidden is that your enemies have no awareness of your location or your movement. This advantage does not go away until -after- the action that broke stealth. This means that the character with the readied action never gets to trigger his readied action, because no movement occured that he was aware of. The goblin appears when it loses the invisibility garnered from being hidden. It loses this invisbility after the end of the action in which it breaks stealth. It's REALLY simple: Appearing is what happens when it loses the benefits of stealth. It cannot simultaneously benefit from stealth and not have the benefits of stealth. Having the benefits of being hidden is a binary state. Assuming the teleporting character is not hidden, then its enemies are fully aware of its movement and location at all time. The rules do not make an exception for teleportation. Therefore teleportation follows the exact same rules of awareness as every other form of movement in the game. Not to mention, teleportation isn't even all that uncommon--combatants would expect it unless they've never heard of 'eladrin.' And eladrin are not an uncommon race in most worlds. Moreover... where is it written that teleportation is some invisible thing that circumvents rules of stealth and chicanary? Where is it written that it is inherently silent, and has no visual effects? Where is it described to be different than other effects, and therefore should receive special treatment? At the end of the teleporting action he is not in total concealment, and therefore cannot make his stealth check to become hidden. Without the stealth check to become hidden, he does not gain the benefits of being hidden. Even if he did, he has also lost the benefits of being hidden after the action in which he teleports. [/QUOTE]

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