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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Derro" data-source="post: 4094351" data-attributes="member: 51010">Grain of salt taken.Neither I nor any of my fellow gamers in my immediate or even once removed circle of gamers are avid readers of Dragon or takers of Dragon reader's polls. At the three gaming events that I have put on myself and the multitude I've attended (multitude of maybe 10) in the last 6 years I'd say the average ages were decidedly close to my own (currently 31). Everybody I regularly game with is within 4 years of my age (me being the second youngest). Almost all of us play computer or console based games but none of us cut our teeth on them.I don't know that the there is a perception that PnP gamers are greybeards. I've been known to wear a beard and I am getting a bit grey. I think a man on the street poll would reveal that most of the games people play are computer-based these days. And most of those players are probably in the younger age demographic.I think WotC has to appeal to the younger demographic because a) they are the group with collectively the most disposable income b) they have less exposure to previous editions to color their expectations of the game and c) will have less loyalty to other games due to less exposure.I think many of WotC design principles are derived not only with the play of the game in mind but also the familiarity to the concepts. Concepts beyond the most basic in RPGs (this is a character sheet, these are dice, this is what THACO does... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> ) I can't fault that from a marketing perspective, you need to stay ahead of the demographic to maintain a viable brand. But it is revealing as to why many older gamers assert that the game has a video-gamey feel. Computer based games have become the average as opposed to the exception and it is irksome (to me) that the game we've grown up playing is taking on the traits of games that are derivative of said game. I'd say there's a perception of dilution of the original game that probably doesn't sit well with us old-timers.If we could look at an analogy from the other side of the coin. Could you imagine the immense commercial failure and general market disgust if WoW required its players to engage in role-playing, if RP servers were the standard and not the anomaly of game-play. Immense blocks of florid text taking the place of PvP and huge multi-player raiding parties. I know, it's a silly analogy, but it is seeing the current situation through the looking glass.I'm not a 4e hater. I like many of the design elements. But I'm probably not going to purchase it myself. WotC has diluted their brand loyalty in an effort to cultivate a wider, younger demographic. I think we saw this with 3e as well but that was 8 years ago when the viable gaming market was neither as widespread or as diverse as it is today.Look at D&D (1972) and D&D (2008). Which one is closer in concept and execution to a computer game? The evolution of game design? Most definitely. The homogenization of PnP and CRPG? Depends who you ask. Either way PnP loses out as its distinct qualities slowly blend with the qualities that have a larger mass appeal. But such is the nature of evolution and the unseen hand of the market. Appeal to the broadest spectrum or provide something to a niche that you and you alone produce. Option two is just not possible. If any of this seems loaded or provokes you to frothing rage with its unabashed audacity just remember I'm only expressing my opinion. WotC not going to suddenly stop production of 4e. I'm not gonna come over to your house and confiscate your dice. It's your game, do what you want. Just be aware of the big picture. It's a market entity. It needs to eat. Your time and money are its sustenance.</blockquote>

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