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<blockquote data-quote="JRRNeiklot" data-source="post: 4553516" data-attributes="member: 717"><p>They also own the rights to Pokemon.&nbsp; Suppose they chose to put the Pokemon logo on D&amp;D and vice versa.&nbsp; Would we then be justified in saying it's not D&amp;D?&nbsp; I think most people would say yes.&nbsp; Hasbro could also put the D&amp;D label on Monopoly if it so chose, would it then still be D&amp;D?&nbsp; If the answer to either of these questions is yes, then why not 4e?&nbsp; To some it's NOT D&amp;D, no matter what they call it.&nbsp; It ain't the game I grew up playing, and I refuse to call it such.&nbsp; Hell, no one I know even calls it D&amp;D in passing conversation, they just call it &quot;4E.&quot;&nbsp; I think that's so people know what game they are talking about because I can walk by a group playing ANY previous edition of D&amp;D and see that they are playing D&amp;D (even though I'm not a fan of 3e), 4e is so far removed as to be a different game in all but name.&nbsp; 90% of the hate for 4e would not exist had it been named D20 fantasy or Wizards and Wombats or anything but D&amp;D.&nbsp; Attaching that name to it suggest certain suppositions that just aren't there.&nbsp; Yeah, it has elves and dwarves, but so does Gurps, Warhammer and WoW.&nbsp; Those are not D&amp;D, and neither is 4e, no matter what the cover says.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="JRRNeiklot, post: 4553516, member: 717"] They also own the rights to Pokemon. Suppose they chose to put the Pokemon logo on D&D and vice versa. Would we then be justified in saying it's not D&D? I think most people would say yes. Hasbro could also put the D&D label on Monopoly if it so chose, would it then still be D&D? If the answer to either of these questions is yes, then why not 4e? To some it's NOT D&D, no matter what they call it. It ain't the game I grew up playing, and I refuse to call it such. Hell, no one I know even calls it D&D in passing conversation, they just call it "4E." I think that's so people know what game they are talking about because I can walk by a group playing ANY previous edition of D&D and see that they are playing D&D (even though I'm not a fan of 3e), 4e is so far removed as to be a different game in all but name. 90% of the hate for 4e would not exist had it been named D20 fantasy or Wizards and Wombats or anything but D&D. Attaching that name to it suggest certain suppositions that just aren't there. Yeah, it has elves and dwarves, but so does Gurps, Warhammer and WoW. Those are not D&D, and neither is 4e, no matter what the cover says. [/QUOTE]

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