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<blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 4557032" data-attributes="member: 48135">When someone says &quot;4E is D&amp;D&quot;, they don't mean &quot;4E is the entirety of what is D&amp;D&quot;, and to say they do is disingenuous. They mean &quot;4E is legitimately included in the group of things collectively called D&amp;D&quot;, which you agree above is correct. I know this is so because &quot;4E is D&amp;D&quot; is generally only seen as a response to a claim that it is not D&amp;D, in the sense that it is not a part of the group of things collectively called D&amp;D.So when you (specifically you) say &quot;4E is not D&amp;D&quot;, you get flack because people read it to mean &quot;4E is not part of D&amp;D&quot;. Because you only say 4E is not D&amp;D. You don't say &quot;3E is also not D&amp;D, 1E is also not D&amp;D, etc&quot;, which would be true according to your definition above.But then we get the confusion because you say that OD&amp;D is D&amp;D, as is BD&amp;D. So you mean it in a different sense there, meaning only games literally named only &quot;D&amp;D&quot;. But then that's not right either, since the game we call 4E is actually just called &quot;D&amp;D&quot;.So in summary, you seem to mean different things with the same words at different times, and you use these words in different ways than everyone else. Which leads to your posts causing a great deal of confusion amongst those who read them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fifth Element, post: 4557032, member: 48135"] When someone says "4E is D&D", they don't mean "4E is the entirety of what is D&D", and to say they do is disingenuous. They mean "4E is legitimately included in the group of things collectively called D&D", which you agree above is correct. I know this is so because "4E is D&D" is generally only seen as a response to a claim that it is not D&D, in the sense that it is not a part of the group of things collectively called D&D. So when you (specifically you) say "4E is not D&D", you get flack because people read it to mean "4E is not part of D&D". Because you only say 4E is not D&D. You don't say "3E is also not D&D, 1E is also not D&D, etc", which would be true according to your definition above. But then we get the confusion because you say that OD&D [B]is[/B] D&D, as is BD&D. So you mean it in a different sense there, meaning only games literally named only "D&D". But then that's not right either, since the game we call 4E is actually just called "D&D". So in summary, you seem to mean different things with the same words at different times, and you use these words in different ways than everyone else. Which leads to your posts causing a great deal of confusion amongst those who read them. [/QUOTE]

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