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<blockquote data-quote="wingsandsword" data-source="post: 3709681" data-attributes="member: 14159">Okay, maybe I'm looking at D&amp;D from a completely different perspective, but the game is a lot more than battles, and just because you're not useful.&nbsp; A rogue is the guy who picks the locks, scouts the dungeon, and does lots of non-combat stuff.&nbsp; When it comes to swinging weapons, that's why we have fighters, when it comes to sneaking around and knowing people we have Rogues, and we have Wizards so they know lots of stuff and can cast a lot of spells, and Clerics to heal people and hurt the undead.Also, lots of combat situations rule out sneak attack, in my experience it's the sort of thing that comes up occasionally but not often.&nbsp; If you're fighting across a 30 or 40 foot chasm trading ranged attacks, Sneak Attack is right out, if you're fighting 200 orcs swarming you in a lair then sneak attack damage is moot if the orcs are dropping in one hit anyway.&nbsp; A fight where a rogue gets to get in flanking position and start hammering on a creature for several rounds to help drop it is the exception and not the rule, at least in my experience.If the party is fighting a Golem then the Wizard is probably just as useless in that fight as a Rogue in a fight with an Elemental, since Golems are usually immune to all but a scant handful of spells (which usually have limited effect on them).&nbsp; Are Golems going to lose their massive magic immunities?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wingsandsword, post: 3709681, member: 14159"] Okay, maybe I'm looking at D&D from a completely different perspective, but the game is a lot more than battles, and just because you're not useful. A rogue is the guy who picks the locks, scouts the dungeon, and does lots of non-combat stuff. When it comes to swinging weapons, that's why we have fighters, when it comes to sneaking around and knowing people we have Rogues, and we have Wizards so they know lots of stuff and can cast a lot of spells, and Clerics to heal people and hurt the undead. Also, lots of combat situations rule out sneak attack, in my experience it's the sort of thing that comes up occasionally but not often. If you're fighting across a 30 or 40 foot chasm trading ranged attacks, Sneak Attack is right out, if you're fighting 200 orcs swarming you in a lair then sneak attack damage is moot if the orcs are dropping in one hit anyway. A fight where a rogue gets to get in flanking position and start hammering on a creature for several rounds to help drop it is the exception and not the rule, at least in my experience. If the party is fighting a Golem then the Wizard is probably just as useless in that fight as a Rogue in a fight with an Elemental, since Golems are usually immune to all but a scant handful of spells (which usually have limited effect on them). Are Golems going to lose their massive magic immunities? [/QUOTE]

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