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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tallifer" data-source="post: 5790339" data-attributes="member: 84661">Recently I have been unable to play with the Fourth Edition. The only current games I can find where I live are Pathfinder and 3.5 Birthright.Wow. After playing AD&D many many years ago, and now the Fourth Edition with the benefit of a Character Builder, the Third Edition is overwhelmingly complicated for me. Huge spell lists, huge skill lists, huge lists of everything and a huge catalogue of books upon which to draw.Pathfinder less so at this stage i its development, although most of the players keep petitioning to allow various feats and stuff from the 3.5 books since they are compatible.However. When we are actually playing the game. I notice almost no differences at all. Combat is just as varied and just as lengthy as in Fourth. The same roles of defender, leader, controller and striker appear. The same skills are just divided more finely, but the Athletic person has most of the athletic sub-skills for example.It gives me hope that the Wizards can blend these things into a Fifth Edition.</blockquote>