Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
4e - Too much change?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Ogrork the Mighty" data-source="post: 3917345" data-attributes="member: 19042"><p>I predict that D&D is going to go the route of many heavy metal bands: it will come out with a new edition, alienate a large chunk of its fanbase, suffer a less than anticipated "success", reevaluate as the market continues to shrink, and eventually release a 5E version that takes D&D "back to its roots."</p><p></p><p>We've gone from "fixing grappling" to foisting daggers/rods/wands/staves on wizards (one of the silliest "innovations" I've seen so far). Gutting spell schools, randomly deleting gods, tieflings in - gnomes out, etc., etc., etc.</p><p></p><p>It's just bizarre. I keep thinking I'm going to wake up one day and all this 4E crap will turn out to be a bad joke. I'll admit that I wasn't fond of 4E coming out as soon as it is. But with what 4E is turning out to be, I'm a whole lot of underwhelmed. I'd rather they just pull another X.5 and incrementally move 3.5 to 4.0.</p><p></p><p>It seems like there's too much big change for the sake of change, with little "method behind the madness." Crikeys, someone posts an idea and next thing you know it's been adopted and the whole D&D universe is rewritten.</p><p></p><p>I feel like I'm in Bizarro World. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ogrork the Mighty, post: 3917345, member: 19042"] I predict that D&D is going to go the route of many heavy metal bands: it will come out with a new edition, alienate a large chunk of its fanbase, suffer a less than anticipated "success", reevaluate as the market continues to shrink, and eventually release a 5E version that takes D&D "back to its roots." We've gone from "fixing grappling" to foisting daggers/rods/wands/staves on wizards (one of the silliest "innovations" I've seen so far). Gutting spell schools, randomly deleting gods, tieflings in - gnomes out, etc., etc., etc. It's just bizarre. I keep thinking I'm going to wake up one day and all this 4E crap will turn out to be a bad joke. I'll admit that I wasn't fond of 4E coming out as soon as it is. But with what 4E is turning out to be, I'm a whole lot of underwhelmed. I'd rather they just pull another X.5 and incrementally move 3.5 to 4.0. It seems like there's too much big change for the sake of change, with little "method behind the madness." Crikeys, someone posts an idea and next thing you know it's been adopted and the whole D&D universe is rewritten. I feel like I'm in Bizarro World. :( [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
4e - Too much change?
Top