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<blockquote data-quote="OnlineDM" data-source="post: 5583206" data-attributes="member: 90804">More or less, yeah. Warpriests can take cleric feats (the original PHB1 cleric has been renamed the Templar; the fighter is the Weaponmaster; these are all builds of the broader Cleric and Fighter classes).I wouldn't necessarily call them &quot;lower entry level&quot; - I know what you mean by that (easier to get into playing for new players), but some people might think you meant they were less powerful. And as you note, they're really not less powerful. I've personally found the Thief to be <a href="http://onlinedm.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/the-4e-thief-is-brutally-effective-and-boring/" target="_blank">crazy-strong</a> (and boring, but that's just a personal preference issue). The fact that they lack daily powers means that their peak power is lower, but they get benefits to make up for it with their at-wills.If a party constantly ran only one combat before an extended rest, the AEDU (traditional) builds would be more powerful because they could keep using their daily attacks. If a party ran eight combats before an extended rest, the non-AEDU builds would be stronger as they can keep dishing out the goodness without worrying about running out of daily attacks. At three or four combats between extended rests, the different types of builds are intended to be similar in power level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OnlineDM, post: 5583206, member: 90804"] More or less, yeah. Warpriests can take cleric feats (the original PHB1 cleric has been renamed the Templar; the fighter is the Weaponmaster; these are all builds of the broader Cleric and Fighter classes). I wouldn't necessarily call them "lower entry level" - I know what you mean by that (easier to get into playing for new players), but some people might think you meant they were less powerful. And as you note, they're really not less powerful. I've personally found the Thief to be [URL="http://onlinedm.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/the-4e-thief-is-brutally-effective-and-boring/"]crazy-strong[/URL] (and boring, but that's just a personal preference issue). The fact that they lack daily powers means that their peak power is lower, but they get benefits to make up for it with their at-wills. If a party constantly ran only one combat before an extended rest, the AEDU (traditional) builds would be more powerful because they could keep using their daily attacks. If a party ran eight combats before an extended rest, the non-AEDU builds would be stronger as they can keep dishing out the goodness without worrying about running out of daily attacks. At three or four combats between extended rests, the different types of builds are intended to be similar in power level. [/QUOTE]

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