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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 6907567" data-attributes="member: 463">That's how I feel - an ogre is so big compared to a human, I'm ok with a 1-round kill by a high level PC, but killing several ogres per round seems a bit much. So I like the 5e stats.I definitely haven't found high level 5e PCs seeming underpowered vs baseline mooks; they can kill dozens even in melee. It takes around 400 damage to put down the Barb-16 IMC with orcs hitting 1 in 4 chance, about 160 attacks to put him down assuming no healing. If he was completely surrounded by orcs taking 8 attacks/round he'd last 20 rounds and kill around 19x3=57 of them if berserking. In reality he almost certainly wouldn't be letting more than 3 attack him in a round so would kill 8/3 as many if he had all his Rages available. He might drop dead from Exhaustion though. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>