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<blockquote data-quote="Philip" data-source="post: 3720197" data-attributes="member: 10993">Communiciation is only one aspect.Min-maxing can only occur with DM fiat. A big part of the problem of min-maxing with 3e is the comprehensiveness of the ruleset. If you discover a min-max 'loophole', your argument versus the DM is that much stronger because the comprehesiveness of the rules suggest that the people that created the rules intented the loophole and thus by refusing you to allow the loophole the DM is arbitratily restricting your options.For example: if there are monsters with an ECL modifier, it is hard for the DM to forbid that particular monster to be used as PC when he thinks it unbalancing, but not others. If the race never a modifier in the first place, it is much easier for the DM to either allow or forbid on his terms.You seem the same problem with magic item creation. Because there are rules, it becomes harder for DM's to forbid completely rules-legal but still unbalanced or broken creations.BTW, my 1e min-max character was more unbalanced than my 3e min-max character ever was.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Philip, post: 3720197, member: 10993"] Communiciation is only one aspect. Min-maxing can only occur with DM fiat. A big part of the problem of min-maxing with 3e is the comprehensiveness of the ruleset. If you discover a min-max 'loophole', your argument versus the DM is that much stronger because the comprehesiveness of the rules suggest that the people that created the rules intented the loophole and thus by refusing you to allow the loophole the DM is arbitratily restricting your options. For example: if there are monsters with an ECL modifier, it is hard for the DM to forbid that particular monster to be used as PC when he thinks it unbalancing, but not others. If the race never a modifier in the first place, it is much easier for the DM to either allow or forbid on his terms. You seem the same problem with magic item creation. Because there are rules, it becomes harder for DM's to forbid completely rules-legal but still unbalanced or broken creations. BTW, my 1e min-max character was more unbalanced than my 3e min-max character ever was. [/QUOTE]

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