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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3706490" data-attributes="member: 2011">One possible solution is to make class abilities both class abilities and feats (but within feat chains). That way, class abilities are easy to attain if a PC stays within the class, but more difficult to attain for PCs outside of the class (due to having to go through a feat chain as opposed to just picking a feat).I got shudders the first time I opened the 3E PHB. I dislike the very concept of a feat system. It turns DND into GURPS where anyone can buy anything they want with the only limitation being on how much they can buy (more or less). It waters down classes a lot in the name of versatility.Plus, it creates difficulties for DMs creating NPCs, there is a vast array of source books with hundreds of feats in them that PCs either will not take or cannot take, etc. It's just a big mess and could be cleaned up considerably. For example, they have feats of &quot;+2 to skill x and +2 to skill y&quot;. Those 30 or so feats could be replaced with a single feat. Lightning Reflexes, Iron Will, and Great Fortitude could be replaced with a single feat (and do not create Forgotten Realms regional feats which are the equivalent of these three with just a tiny little other ability added to them). Any silly idea that comes to a designer's mind (&quot;Hey, we have Iron Will at +2 to Will Saves, let's create a feat that gives +1 to all three saves&quot;) suddenly ends up in print.It's a control and organizational nightmare. There are so many feats that people cannot even find ones they want. Every once in a while, someone posts a message here on the boards asking if someone remembers the name of the feat or knows of a feat that allows xyz. It's very difficult for people to even get their hands around without having to ask a large group of experts here on the boards. It could be controlled a lot better by WotC.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3706490, member: 2011"] One possible solution is to make class abilities both class abilities and feats (but within feat chains). That way, class abilities are easy to attain if a PC stays within the class, but more difficult to attain for PCs outside of the class (due to having to go through a feat chain as opposed to just picking a feat). I got shudders the first time I opened the 3E PHB. I dislike the very concept of a feat system. It turns DND into GURPS where anyone can buy anything they want with the only limitation being on how much they can buy (more or less). It waters down classes a lot in the name of versatility. Plus, it creates difficulties for DMs creating NPCs, there is a vast array of source books with hundreds of feats in them that PCs either will not take or cannot take, etc. It's just a big mess and could be cleaned up considerably. For example, they have feats of "+2 to skill x and +2 to skill y". Those 30 or so feats could be replaced with a single feat. Lightning Reflexes, Iron Will, and Great Fortitude could be replaced with a single feat (and do not create Forgotten Realms regional feats which are the equivalent of these three with just a tiny little other ability added to them). Any silly idea that comes to a designer's mind ("Hey, we have Iron Will at +2 to Will Saves, let's create a feat that gives +1 to all three saves") suddenly ends up in print. It's a control and organizational nightmare. There are so many feats that people cannot even find ones they want. Every once in a while, someone posts a message here on the boards asking if someone remembers the name of the feat or knows of a feat that allows xyz. It's very difficult for people to even get their hands around without having to ask a large group of experts here on the boards. It could be controlled a lot better by WotC. [/QUOTE]

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