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<blockquote data-quote="Doctor Proctor" data-source="post: 4542658" data-attributes="member: 78547">I hugely disagree with that, and if that's what your guys think then they're not being very creative.&nbsp; For one, there's the basic choice of Sword and Board versus Two-handed Weapon.&nbsp; Tide of Iron only works for Sword and Board, and Reaping Strike will work with either, but synergizes better with Two-handed Weapon style.&nbsp; So right there with your At-Wills there's already a big difference depending on build.Then throw in your eventual goals for Paragon Path.&nbsp; Personally, I really like the Iron Vanguard PP, and it synergizes with some other things.&nbsp; I'm a Dragonborn, so I have a power that keys off Con, and get extra healing from my surges based on Con.&nbsp; I also like Axes and their powers, which key off Con.&nbsp; So going Iron Vanguard means that I'll be dealing a lot of damage with Trample the Fallen, especially with some of the powers that allow you to push multiple opponents.Of course, you could go a different route and go high Wis, then go into Pit Fighter.&nbsp; Combine that with Polearms or Heavy Blades and you become an Opportunity Attack monster.While I understand that these don't kick in until level 10, you start planning for them at level 1.&nbsp; They should affect what weapons you use, what feats you pick and how you spread your stats.&nbsp; So unless both of your Fighters want to be hammer wielding Iron Vanguards, they should be differentiating their builds a lot more.&nbsp; So the fault there would not be the system, but rather in the creativity of your Fighters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Doctor Proctor, post: 4542658, member: 78547"] I hugely disagree with that, and if that's what your guys think then they're not being very creative. For one, there's the basic choice of Sword and Board versus Two-handed Weapon. Tide of Iron only works for Sword and Board, and Reaping Strike will work with either, but synergizes better with Two-handed Weapon style. So right there with your At-Wills there's already a big difference depending on build. Then throw in your eventual goals for Paragon Path. Personally, I really like the Iron Vanguard PP, and it synergizes with some other things. I'm a Dragonborn, so I have a power that keys off Con, and get extra healing from my surges based on Con. I also like Axes and their powers, which key off Con. So going Iron Vanguard means that I'll be dealing a lot of damage with Trample the Fallen, especially with some of the powers that allow you to push multiple opponents. Of course, you could go a different route and go high Wis, then go into Pit Fighter. Combine that with Polearms or Heavy Blades and you become an Opportunity Attack monster. While I understand that these don't kick in until level 10, you start planning for them at level 1. They should affect what weapons you use, what feats you pick and how you spread your stats. So unless both of your Fighters want to be hammer wielding Iron Vanguards, they should be differentiating their builds a lot more. So the fault there would not be the system, but rather in the creativity of your Fighters. [/QUOTE]

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