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<blockquote data-quote="LotusBlossom" data-source="post: 4545961" data-attributes="member: 78402">I agree with your second statement, but not the first in which anyone can get these -- see below.&nbsp; Also, I was thinking about this more in terms of how the game was designed.&nbsp; Since I'm looking to design YetAnotherRPGSystem, I've been looking over many that are out there and this struck me as a not so small departure from the previous DND systems (I've never played 3e so I don't know if it does the same thing as 4e).In 4e, the basic core mechanic to hit something is d20+STR+Level/2.&nbsp; This is the same for every class, thus it remains for additional design components to differentiate the classes.In 1e,2e,Basic,CC,and similar, the to hit mechanic varies by class:fighter = d20+STR+Level (or something close) down towizard = d20+STR+Level/3 or 4.This mechanic, is not as simple as the first, but does provide a class distinction.&nbsp; It needs less additions to differentiate the classes, although only for melee combat; it still needs additions to classes to make them distinct outside of melee combat with weapons.Thus my disagreement: At 20th level, a fighter has an auto +20, a wizard has a +5 or +6.&nbsp; Definitely not the same, and there is no class that gets the +20 of a fighter at 20th level.&nbsp; Now, other classes can use magic items, etc, but given the same equipment and STR, the fighter always has a better to hit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LotusBlossom, post: 4545961, member: 78402"] I agree with your second statement, but not the first in which anyone can get these -- see below. Also, I was thinking about this more in terms of how the game was designed. Since I'm looking to design YetAnotherRPGSystem, I've been looking over many that are out there and this struck me as a not so small departure from the previous DND systems (I've never played 3e so I don't know if it does the same thing as 4e). In 4e, the basic core mechanic to hit something is d20+STR+Level/2. This is the same for every class, thus it remains for additional design components to differentiate the classes. In 1e,2e,Basic,CC,and similar, the to hit mechanic varies by class: fighter = d20+STR+Level (or something close) down to wizard = d20+STR+Level/3 or 4. This mechanic, is not as simple as the first, but does provide a class distinction. It needs less additions to differentiate the classes, although only for melee combat; it still needs additions to classes to make them distinct outside of melee combat with weapons. Thus my disagreement: At 20th level, a fighter has an auto +20, a wizard has a +5 or +6. Definitely not the same, and there is no class that gets the +20 of a fighter at 20th level. Now, other classes can use magic items, etc, but given the same equipment and STR, the fighter always has a better to hit. [/QUOTE]

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