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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bagpuss" data-source="post: 4546009" data-attributes="member: 3987">It's a case of yes and NO.yes: If a) they have the same Strength - unlikely because every fighter ability keys of Strength, where as none of the Wizard one do. So one or both characters would be very poor builds.b) they are using a weapon they are both proficient in - A fighter is proficient in military weapons some of which have a greater bonus to hit.c) the fighter doesn't use his class feature - that gives him a bonus to hit with certain melee weapons.e) the fighter doesn't use any of his powers even his at-will ones - he would be stupid not to and this give him an advantage in melee.NO because:a) In any sensible build the fighter will always be significantly stronger than the wizard. (At least +3 difference, but probably +4 or even +5).b) The fighter will be using a heavy blade with a +3 proficiency bonus to the wizards staff of +2 (okay they could be equal if he uses a dagger)c) The fighter gets a +1 bonus from a Class Feature.e) The fighter would get a bonus effect or damage from his class powers.The yes case will virtually never happen, the NO case will almost always occur.Oh course in 3rd Ed at 1st level the same was true, the Fighter was only +1 better to hit. Since in 4th Ed the fighter gets the +1 from a class feature, it's pretty much the same. Even at higher levels the disparity in Strength (since the Fighter will have focused on improving that) and items since the fighter will have a magic melee weapon but the wizard a magic implement, will mean the difference in attack is comparable to 3rd Ed, even before you take into account feats and powers.So yes if you look at one particular, theoretical case, that in practice is never likely to occur in play.</blockquote>

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