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4e Wizards - No More Necromancers, Enchanters, Summoners???
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<blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 3961730" data-attributes="member: 54846"><p>As someone who's playing a Beguiler right now, let me tell you it feels a lot more like an Illusionist than a wizard who focuses on Illusion. </p><p></p><p>And looking at Necromancy in the PHB, it's just... sad. Even after all the splatbooks, the Cleric still does it better. Why? Because the Cleric, among other things, gets Animate dead at 5th level, and the <em>Dread Necromancer</em>, who does <em>nothing but</em> Necromancy, gets it at 8th.</p><p></p><p>As stated by others, A Wizard will be able to do most things, just not well. To paraphrase a great example:</p><p></p><p>Wizard: "I charm the guard so he will let us get inside."</p><p>Psion: "Screw that. I dominate him, make him unlock the door, read his mind to find out the general layout of the building, and then I shall wipe his memory of ever meeting us."</p><p>Wizard: ...</p><p></p><p>Another possibility that they might be doing is turning Illusion and Necromancy into Paragon Paths. So that they're accessable from 10th-20th level. So you have a wizard who turns down the dark path of Necromancy, instead of starting out at day 1 playing with undead. </p><p></p><p>Also, I believe that it was mentioned the Warlock had conjuration powers.</p><p></p><p>It's likely that stuff like Necromancy and Illusion is going to be in the Arcane book in 2008, the book we'll likely see the Swordmage in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rechan, post: 3961730, member: 54846"] As someone who's playing a Beguiler right now, let me tell you it feels a lot more like an Illusionist than a wizard who focuses on Illusion. And looking at Necromancy in the PHB, it's just... sad. Even after all the splatbooks, the Cleric still does it better. Why? Because the Cleric, among other things, gets Animate dead at 5th level, and the [i]Dread Necromancer[/i], who does [i]nothing but[/i] Necromancy, gets it at 8th. As stated by others, A Wizard will be able to do most things, just not well. To paraphrase a great example: Wizard: "I charm the guard so he will let us get inside." Psion: "Screw that. I dominate him, make him unlock the door, read his mind to find out the general layout of the building, and then I shall wipe his memory of ever meeting us." Wizard: ... Another possibility that they might be doing is turning Illusion and Necromancy into Paragon Paths. So that they're accessable from 10th-20th level. So you have a wizard who turns down the dark path of Necromancy, instead of starting out at day 1 playing with undead. Also, I believe that it was mentioned the Warlock had conjuration powers. It's likely that stuff like Necromancy and Illusion is going to be in the Arcane book in 2008, the book we'll likely see the Swordmage in. [/QUOTE]
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