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<blockquote data-quote="Silverblade The Ench" data-source="post: 3962027" data-attributes="member: 19083"><p>This issue is one that's narking me off :/ I love playing a caster who doesn't <em>have </em> to kill things, jeesh. I do nto want to play WOW or Everquest, for pity's sake! I love playing casters who're more than artillery, it's part of the entire reason TO play a wizard is that you are <em>more </em> than just a killing machine.</p><p></p><p>Removing enchantment to keep it for psions is, sorry, retarded, because it's metagaming to fix a non-existant problem <em>that breaks the millieu itself</em>. They are removing/messing with enchantment to let psion be good, rather than do anything positive with wizards....very bad.</p><p></p><p>A wizard is a wizard is a wizard, there's no need for an "enchanter, necromancer" or any other type of "class", they are all WIZARDS! By chosing feats/styles of play, they become an "enchanter" or whatever. Yes wizards are a jack of all trades, so what? Duh. Rather than this bad kludge fix, why not make it that those who take specialist routes get more benefits in their line?</p><p></p><p>Adding more damned classes just to be a "conjuror "etc is lousy for the game, yes it may sell more books for WOTC but it's bad for us gamers because it means MORE classes, more books mroe hassels to keep track of which si what 4th ed is supposed to avoid! </p><p></p><p>Instead, make books with more feats, traits or whatever is being used in 4th ed, to flesh out the wizard into whatever avenue they player wants.</p><p></p><p>Way I've always house ruled psionics vs magic, is that psionics is better on small, precise things and individual mind control, in a contest, psionics wins those kind of things. But, magic uses vast, almos tlimitless external forces, so always wins area of effect, raw power type of things. I'm sure that could be put in as a mechanism in 4th ed, like +5 on opposed roles in the appropriate conflict? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>If WOTC doesn't allow wizards to be more than stupid blasters, I foresee a lot of folk giving WOTC stuff a "heave ho" and looking for other companies ot produce more friendly OGL books with arcane stuf. Sigh <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>Silverblade The <em>Enchanter </em> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Silverblade The Ench, post: 3962027, member: 19083"] This issue is one that's narking me off :/ I love playing a caster who doesn't [I]have [/I] to kill things, jeesh. I do nto want to play WOW or Everquest, for pity's sake! I love playing casters who're more than artillery, it's part of the entire reason TO play a wizard is that you are [I]more [/I] than just a killing machine. Removing enchantment to keep it for psions is, sorry, retarded, because it's metagaming to fix a non-existant problem [I]that breaks the millieu itself[/I]. They are removing/messing with enchantment to let psion be good, rather than do anything positive with wizards....very bad. A wizard is a wizard is a wizard, there's no need for an "enchanter, necromancer" or any other type of "class", they are all WIZARDS! By chosing feats/styles of play, they become an "enchanter" or whatever. Yes wizards are a jack of all trades, so what? Duh. Rather than this bad kludge fix, why not make it that those who take specialist routes get more benefits in their line? Adding more damned classes just to be a "conjuror "etc is lousy for the game, yes it may sell more books for WOTC but it's bad for us gamers because it means MORE classes, more books mroe hassels to keep track of which si what 4th ed is supposed to avoid! Instead, make books with more feats, traits or whatever is being used in 4th ed, to flesh out the wizard into whatever avenue they player wants. Way I've always house ruled psionics vs magic, is that psionics is better on small, precise things and individual mind control, in a contest, psionics wins those kind of things. But, magic uses vast, almos tlimitless external forces, so always wins area of effect, raw power type of things. I'm sure that could be put in as a mechanism in 4th ed, like +5 on opposed roles in the appropriate conflict? :) If WOTC doesn't allow wizards to be more than stupid blasters, I foresee a lot of folk giving WOTC stuff a "heave ho" and looking for other companies ot produce more friendly OGL books with arcane stuf. Sigh :( Silverblade The [I]Enchanter [/I] ;) [/QUOTE]
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