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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahglock" data-source="post: 3967557" data-attributes="member: 56725">Yeah and eventually 3e had those specialized style classes like the beguiler and the Dread Necromancer etc.  If 4e started with some of these specialties in the core 3 books it could be argued it came with just as much, but it doesn't.    And even without the specialized classes you could do a fair job of making a necromancer etc by learning the right spells.  If there aren't enough of the right spells in the 3 core 4e books you can't even fake it until they decide to release splat book X, which now is CORE.(woo)The end of 4e very well may have more options than the end of 3e.  The beginning of 4e doesn't look to me like it will have the options of the beginning of 3e.  The core mechanics being improved may be enough to let that slide for me, but it might not be enough for a lot of others.  This really is a tough sell, the changes don't look to be 2e to 3e style in scale and yet you are asked to give up just as much because there totally not compatible.  For people like me it totally can work for them, I haven't played 3e in probably a year now, I'm mainly playing shadowrun 4e, and I started running a SAGA game maybe two months ago.  Since my 3e is just stuff on my shelf that I sometimes use for inspiration when writing a non 3e adventure I really am not losing anything in the change.</blockquote>