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<blockquote data-quote="Nemesis Destiny" data-source="post: 7534329" data-attributes="member: 98255"><p>That's not the point though. Flanking was still a thing. Being denied your shield bonus from facing was still a thing. Attacks from behind were a thing. And so was higher ground, and a pile of other baggage from the wargaming days. If your only point is selectively raising things that were semi-unique to 4e, all you're doing is bashing it in a veiled manner. There's nothing unique to 4e that couldn't work just as well "the way it used to be done" i.e. on paper, or winging it (as we have done and will continue to do).</p><p></p><p>Spells were a form of power, and in 3.x feats enabled power-like abilities, as did some proficiencies in late 2e. Plus, creatures had all manner of abilities, supernatural powers, and other non-spell "powers" that did stuff. The lack of a "power block" doesn't change what they were. And saying you couldn't move things around in AD&D is demonstrably false, even beyond your one example. I already listed several, spells and otherwise, and that's off the top of my head for system(s) I haven't used in a decade or two.</p><p></p><p>I disagree about the degree to which they were implied. I find my use of maps and other positioning aids has remained approximately constant throughout the years. The diagrams have gotten better at illustrating the rules being presented, and thus may appear more prominent, but that's about it.</p><p></p><p>Can we get back to discussing the online tools now, please?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nemesis Destiny, post: 7534329, member: 98255"] That's not the point though. Flanking was still a thing. Being denied your shield bonus from facing was still a thing. Attacks from behind were a thing. And so was higher ground, and a pile of other baggage from the wargaming days. If your only point is selectively raising things that were semi-unique to 4e, all you're doing is bashing it in a veiled manner. There's nothing unique to 4e that couldn't work just as well "the way it used to be done" i.e. on paper, or winging it (as we have done and will continue to do). Spells were a form of power, and in 3.x feats enabled power-like abilities, as did some proficiencies in late 2e. Plus, creatures had all manner of abilities, supernatural powers, and other non-spell "powers" that did stuff. The lack of a "power block" doesn't change what they were. And saying you couldn't move things around in AD&D is demonstrably false, even beyond your one example. I already listed several, spells and otherwise, and that's off the top of my head for system(s) I haven't used in a decade or two. I disagree about the degree to which they were implied. I find my use of maps and other positioning aids has remained approximately constant throughout the years. The diagrams have gotten better at illustrating the rules being presented, and thus may appear more prominent, but that's about it. Can we get back to discussing the online tools now, please? [/QUOTE]
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