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4E WotC way of saying your fired?
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<blockquote data-quote="Minicol" data-source="post: 3810737" data-attributes="member: 17308"><p>Originally Posted by Erik Mona</p><p>Back at Wizards of the Coast in 1999 there was a lot of talk about "firing the existing audience" of D&D with the third edition launch. The logic went like this: "Even if we have to fire all of our existing customers, so long as we replace those old customers with more new ones, the result will have been worth it."</p><p></p><p>In my case, they have succeeded quite admirably. As I said, my D&D budget was a sacred cow. Consider what I spent to have the whole WOTC 3.5 + most of D20</p><p>+ earlier editions. </p><p></p><p>Of course, I respect the unalienable right of people to shoot themselves in the leg.</p><p></p><p>Now to be honest, I am not quite so upset about rules changes. I am upset about the attitude shown by the company. It seems from outside quite cynical and selfish. </p><p></p><p>I am upset, because RPGs are different from most hobbies in that they are shared worlds. The design of D&D was done by many different people over the years, and they managed to make a shared experience. Nothing was quite as exemplified by this as the D20 license itself. </p><p>Breaking this is ...</p><p></p><p>Now the TRUE design flaw of 3.X ... you want to know it ?</p><p></p><p>It's an empty rules system with nothing to remember it by !</p><p></p><p>WhaddI meanby this ? People do not remember 1.0 because of the rules. They remember it because they were scared shitless in I6 : Ravenloft or because they slew Lolth in Queen of the Demonweb pits.</p><p></p><p>WOTC has kept publishing various rules supplements over the 3.X life, but the adventures were here only at the very end. Who has played them ? Did anybody ?</p><p></p><p>The source of fun for 3.X was DUNGEON. DUNGEON, yes. Made by ... PAIZO. </p><p>It's not a surprise to me that it was the first thing to eliminate to make way for their new line.</p><p></p><p>Between this and the not-so-friendly attitude of a lot of 4e "fans", I am convinced that I will not buy 4e or anything related close or far, but I'll stick by Paizo whatever their choices.</p><p></p><p>Thank you for all the good work, and excellent adventures guys.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Minicol, post: 3810737, member: 17308"] Originally Posted by Erik Mona Back at Wizards of the Coast in 1999 there was a lot of talk about "firing the existing audience" of D&D with the third edition launch. The logic went like this: "Even if we have to fire all of our existing customers, so long as we replace those old customers with more new ones, the result will have been worth it." In my case, they have succeeded quite admirably. As I said, my D&D budget was a sacred cow. Consider what I spent to have the whole WOTC 3.5 + most of D20 + earlier editions. Of course, I respect the unalienable right of people to shoot themselves in the leg. Now to be honest, I am not quite so upset about rules changes. I am upset about the attitude shown by the company. It seems from outside quite cynical and selfish. I am upset, because RPGs are different from most hobbies in that they are shared worlds. The design of D&D was done by many different people over the years, and they managed to make a shared experience. Nothing was quite as exemplified by this as the D20 license itself. Breaking this is ... Now the TRUE design flaw of 3.X ... you want to know it ? It's an empty rules system with nothing to remember it by ! WhaddI meanby this ? People do not remember 1.0 because of the rules. They remember it because they were scared shitless in I6 : Ravenloft or because they slew Lolth in Queen of the Demonweb pits. WOTC has kept publishing various rules supplements over the 3.X life, but the adventures were here only at the very end. Who has played them ? Did anybody ? The source of fun for 3.X was DUNGEON. DUNGEON, yes. Made by ... PAIZO. It's not a surprise to me that it was the first thing to eliminate to make way for their new line. Between this and the not-so-friendly attitude of a lot of 4e "fans", I am convinced that I will not buy 4e or anything related close or far, but I'll stick by Paizo whatever their choices. Thank you for all the good work, and excellent adventures guys. [/QUOTE]
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