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<blockquote data-quote="AGFlynn" data-source="post: 3954448" data-attributes="member: 17562"><p>Yet worthy of a reply? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p>Yeah, you're probably right. But I find the process interesting nonetheless.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, that's a given. But I guess I don't really care if WotC makes money, lives or dies. I'm not sure the consequences would be as dire as you suggest, given that this happens all the time in the gaming software world, though that's a vastly different and more lucrative market.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's certainly the case. I guess they probably had lots of meetings to consider all of these things years ago and picked Q2 2008 as the deadline they could reasonably meet. I guess what I'm questioning is whether they were right at those meetings. What made me suspicious is the seemingly contradictory statements we've had from WotC that A) "We've got loads of stuff done that we're dying to show you, but we can't yet!" and B) "A lot of these changes are in flux and we won't finalize a lot of things until the last minute!". Like the fact that when Shadowfell comes out before the PHB it may not incorporate the final version of the rules. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I disagree. I think that having had the 3.5 PHB out as long as it has been would mean revenue for it likely passed the break-even point a long time ago. Not so the other 3.5 accessories, etc. But it won't affect mini sales, etc. Unfortunately, when Hasbro reports its quarterly financials, it does not break out WotC's results, which would give us an interesting peek under the hood to substantiate these musings.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But aren't <em>long-term</em> sales the real goal when you need to meet revenue targets? Short-term sales mean nothing if you don't eventually recoup your plate expenditures. Money in has to surpass money out over time if you want to pay staff and then make a profit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly! I think there probably is someone smart at the wheel. But even smart people make mistakes. As for the rushing, my hope is that that comes now from the marketing side, with the blessing of the designers, who, one hopes, have been rushing around for the last four years.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's a good point (and a good quote!). Like I said, I think they would suffer more if the product <em>stinks</em> and gets universal condmenation from us. I don't think it will.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AGFlynn, post: 3954448, member: 17562"] Yet worthy of a reply? ;) Yeah, you're probably right. But I find the process interesting nonetheless. Yes, that's a given. But I guess I don't really care if WotC makes money, lives or dies. I'm not sure the consequences would be as dire as you suggest, given that this happens all the time in the gaming software world, though that's a vastly different and more lucrative market. That's certainly the case. I guess they probably had lots of meetings to consider all of these things years ago and picked Q2 2008 as the deadline they could reasonably meet. I guess what I'm questioning is whether they were right at those meetings. What made me suspicious is the seemingly contradictory statements we've had from WotC that A) "We've got loads of stuff done that we're dying to show you, but we can't yet!" and B) "A lot of these changes are in flux and we won't finalize a lot of things until the last minute!". Like the fact that when Shadowfell comes out before the PHB it may not incorporate the final version of the rules. I disagree. I think that having had the 3.5 PHB out as long as it has been would mean revenue for it likely passed the break-even point a long time ago. Not so the other 3.5 accessories, etc. But it won't affect mini sales, etc. Unfortunately, when Hasbro reports its quarterly financials, it does not break out WotC's results, which would give us an interesting peek under the hood to substantiate these musings. But aren't [I]long-term[/I] sales the real goal when you need to meet revenue targets? Short-term sales mean nothing if you don't eventually recoup your plate expenditures. Money in has to surpass money out over time if you want to pay staff and then make a profit. Exactly! I think there probably is someone smart at the wheel. But even smart people make mistakes. As for the rushing, my hope is that that comes now from the marketing side, with the blessing of the designers, who, one hopes, have been rushing around for the last four years. That's a good point (and a good quote!). Like I said, I think they would suffer more if the product [I]stinks[/I] and gets universal condmenation from us. I don't think it will. [/QUOTE]
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