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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gyor" data-source="post: 5807715" data-attributes="member: 6670153">Your example about third edition complainers leading to 4th edition and not repersenting the majority of 3rd edition players reminds me of how the designers listened to the realms haters and nuked the realms and destroyed a massive chuck of the fan base in the process, costing them money. Also two things killed 4e, the GSL forced 3pp suppliers to become competitiers, so instead of having other rpg companies supporting your game leaving you the dominate force in the rpg market, instead you forced them into foes after your customer base just to survive and one or more found a vulneriblity leading to wizards problems. The other thing was the stubborn pride and inflexiblity of the essentials haters, who I believe delivered the killing blow to 4e ironically, murdering its potential salvation. Looking back liked elements of all the editions I experienced, never tried 1e, and I have to say my edition as it were wasn't any of 1e to pure 4e, it was essentials milking the best of 4e, followed by pathfinder.So I'm looking forward to 5e, which hopefully will be refined. But do not fear 4e fans for I feel certain that there will be a retro clone of 4e, it'll just be the tactical moduals of 5e, with the seeds for it in the core books of 5e itself. From what I heard so far it won't even be hard to put such a tactical modual expansions together, because the core books provide the seeds. Maybe they'll even provide a 4e to 5e conversion guide out so you'll be able to use 4e books to play 5e. I do believe I heard that you be able to use the character builder to convert 4e characters to 5e which should be interesting and worth a try for curiousity sake if no other reason.</blockquote>

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