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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5846383" data-attributes="member: 463"><p>But not by the licensor, WotC/Hasbro, which as a academic IP & contract lawyer myself, I'd think was the minimum level at which something could be said to be 'in dispute', pemerton. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> The OSRIC guys took legal advice before publishing; they have never been contacted by WoTC/Hasbro legal dept. After all these years it seems pretty clearly not in dispute. And as we've discussed before, Peterson is not an IP lawyer. Nor did he identify any cause of action. From what I saw of his opinion, he just gave a 'not like it' reaction. Since at the time OSRIC potentially took from his '3e rules, 1e feel' market, that might have been a reason he didn't like it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> </p><p></p><p>Otherwise, agree about the GSL - zero relevance for retro-clones.</p><p></p><p>Using the OGL to clone 4e might be possible but would be tricky. A much better use of the OGL IMO is to create 4e-compatible adventures and other material using the IP licensed by WoTC in the SRD. Several commercial publishers have done this, especially before the GSL came out. Or if you're not interested in SRD material (such as the details of D&D-specific monsters) you can use regular TM & (c) law. The latter would potentially let you refer to specific 4e monster manual (etc) pages for monsters, though IMO you could not reproduce 4e official monster stat blocks without risking copyright infringement. </p><p></p><p>In general though I think you'd be better off creating new monster stat blocks using the OGL/SRD route, eg your own 4e-compatible 'hill giant' or 'ogre' stat block using the non-copyrightable 4e formulae, such as attack = level+5. And don't copy a 4e official stat block template, make your own. Anglo-American copyright law likes to protect templates. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 5846383, member: 463"] But not by the licensor, WotC/Hasbro, which as a academic IP & contract lawyer myself, I'd think was the minimum level at which something could be said to be 'in dispute', pemerton. :D The OSRIC guys took legal advice before publishing; they have never been contacted by WoTC/Hasbro legal dept. After all these years it seems pretty clearly not in dispute. And as we've discussed before, Peterson is not an IP lawyer. Nor did he identify any cause of action. From what I saw of his opinion, he just gave a 'not like it' reaction. Since at the time OSRIC potentially took from his '3e rules, 1e feel' market, that might have been a reason he didn't like it. :p Otherwise, agree about the GSL - zero relevance for retro-clones. Using the OGL to clone 4e might be possible but would be tricky. A much better use of the OGL IMO is to create 4e-compatible adventures and other material using the IP licensed by WoTC in the SRD. Several commercial publishers have done this, especially before the GSL came out. Or if you're not interested in SRD material (such as the details of D&D-specific monsters) you can use regular TM & (c) law. The latter would potentially let you refer to specific 4e monster manual (etc) pages for monsters, though IMO you could not reproduce 4e official monster stat blocks without risking copyright infringement. In general though I think you'd be better off creating new monster stat blocks using the OGL/SRD route, eg your own 4e-compatible 'hill giant' or 'ogre' stat block using the non-copyrightable 4e formulae, such as attack = level+5. And don't copy a 4e official stat block template, make your own. Anglo-American copyright law likes to protect templates. :D [/QUOTE]
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