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<blockquote data-quote="jbear" data-source="post: 4504314" data-attributes="member: 75065"><p>Im not sure a thief or a ranger can pull someone down from a 25' high roof/wall and smash their bodies down onto the floor, or drag a guard 25' away through a portcullis door slamming him up against the bars so the fighter can strangle him to death and take his keys (just 2 situations that have a certain controller type feel to the warlock that neither the rogue nor the ranger have (although I havent looked at high level powers and so maybe I will be corrected on this one). </p><p> </p><p>The Warlock in my group has 18 intelligence (tiefling) so when she uses shadow step she has a very good ac. She also gets a pretty constant HP buff from her infernal pact, does sweet damage and can stay out of combat with ranged attacks or get up close and use hellish rebuke to really do some mean damage if she is damaged in any way.</p><p> </p><p> At 4th level she will most likely take the 'Sacrifice to Caiphon' feat offered in the Dragon 366 supplement that allows you to recharge a power you just failed by doing damage to yourself; so reliable encounter powers that can tirgger extra hellish rebuke damage if they fail... not bad I'd say.</p><p> </p><p>As far as feats go there are 3 quite nice feats there in the star pact warlock supplement which are good for any warlock whatever there pact. If you only look at the feats in the PHB then I agree that their feats are on the light side.</p><p> </p><p>I'm sure it will be quite a show when she arrives at paragon level and takes a second pact and stars teleporting around the battle field as well, say with Agathy's Armour on...</p><p> </p><p>The explorer in our party (2 weapon) also does some mean damage, but often one of the two attacks often fails and often spends turns positioning. I havent seen a rogue in action yet so I can't even comment. I'm not saying one is better than the other or that they deal an equal amount of damage. They just seem to both have their pros and cons from where I'm standing.</p><p> </p><p>Whatever the case may be I definitely wouldnt say the warlock is the weak link in my game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jbear, post: 4504314, member: 75065"] Im not sure a thief or a ranger can pull someone down from a 25' high roof/wall and smash their bodies down onto the floor, or drag a guard 25' away through a portcullis door slamming him up against the bars so the fighter can strangle him to death and take his keys (just 2 situations that have a certain controller type feel to the warlock that neither the rogue nor the ranger have (although I havent looked at high level powers and so maybe I will be corrected on this one). The Warlock in my group has 18 intelligence (tiefling) so when she uses shadow step she has a very good ac. She also gets a pretty constant HP buff from her infernal pact, does sweet damage and can stay out of combat with ranged attacks or get up close and use hellish rebuke to really do some mean damage if she is damaged in any way. At 4th level she will most likely take the 'Sacrifice to Caiphon' feat offered in the Dragon 366 supplement that allows you to recharge a power you just failed by doing damage to yourself; so reliable encounter powers that can tirgger extra hellish rebuke damage if they fail... not bad I'd say. As far as feats go there are 3 quite nice feats there in the star pact warlock supplement which are good for any warlock whatever there pact. If you only look at the feats in the PHB then I agree that their feats are on the light side. I'm sure it will be quite a show when she arrives at paragon level and takes a second pact and stars teleporting around the battle field as well, say with Agathy's Armour on... The explorer in our party (2 weapon) also does some mean damage, but often one of the two attacks often fails and often spends turns positioning. I havent seen a rogue in action yet so I can't even comment. I'm not saying one is better than the other or that they deal an equal amount of damage. They just seem to both have their pros and cons from where I'm standing. Whatever the case may be I definitely wouldnt say the warlock is the weak link in my game. [/QUOTE]
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