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<blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 3709511" data-attributes="member: 18182"><p>I've been seeing a lot of "WotC lied to us" grumping on the boards, and I'm just not getting it. It's very possible I missed something, but I personally am not under the impression that WotC as a company or any individuals like Scott lied at all.</p><p></p><p>Sure, there was a lot of vague misdirection on the subject of a new edition, there always has been. If you've picked a date for the big announcement and people are hammering at you before hand to spill the beans, it's a hard question to answer. It's possible that a Wizards staffer who knew of the impending 4e might have misspoke in an attempt to misdirect questions on 4e, but if so I doubt it was intentional.</p><p></p><p>A lot of grumpy gamers like to ascribe malice to WotC's actions when simple explanations work just fine. I REALLY doubt that Scott Rouse or any other WotC staffer was cackling to himself while telling us, "oh, no, no 4e is ever gonna happen anytime soon," while drafting plans to take over the gaming world with a new mind-controlling edition of D&D . . .</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe. It is very likely 4e will reduce the "need" for such games. But there will always be a minority of gamers who just want to not like the current edition of D&D and want alternatives.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I really doubt it. Paizo new that the print mags were ending (duh). Paizo knew WotC had plans for electronic versions of the mags, but didn't know any of the details. Many Paizo staffers probably expected the imminent release of 4e (cause they're smart guys and mostly ex-WotC staffers), but didn't have any more details than any other RPG company. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, Paizo's launch of Pathfinder was perfectly timed. They absolutely HAD to keep the momentum going with the loss of their flagship magazines. If Paizo had folded the mags and then not introducted Pathfinder until May, they would be so screwed.</p><p></p><p>And while Paizo hasn't yet committed to the 4e switch, I'm positive they will and that the transition will be seamless. They'll have their second or third adventure path finish up in late spring or early summer next year, then simply start a new adventure path close to the release of 4e. They'll probably offer us 4e conversions of the existing Pathfinder material released up to that point as well. At least that's what I expect them to do.</p><p></p><p>What I am worried about, for both Paizo and other great d20 RPG companies like Green Ronin, Malhavoc (yes, I know Monte's left the business . . . for now), and others is that they might not have access to the D&D Insider, specifically the gametable and character generators.</p><p></p><p>Even if 4e has a generous OGL and/or SRD license available, if I can't build my D&D character with options from Paizo's latest Pathfinder supplement online with the new nifty character generator . . . I'm that much less likely to purchase the Pathfinder supplement in the first place. Maybe WotC will offer this capability to "proven" d20 companies . . . I certainly hope so . . .</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dire Bare, post: 3709511, member: 18182"] I've been seeing a lot of "WotC lied to us" grumping on the boards, and I'm just not getting it. It's very possible I missed something, but I personally am not under the impression that WotC as a company or any individuals like Scott lied at all. Sure, there was a lot of vague misdirection on the subject of a new edition, there always has been. If you've picked a date for the big announcement and people are hammering at you before hand to spill the beans, it's a hard question to answer. It's possible that a Wizards staffer who knew of the impending 4e might have misspoke in an attempt to misdirect questions on 4e, but if so I doubt it was intentional. A lot of grumpy gamers like to ascribe malice to WotC's actions when simple explanations work just fine. I REALLY doubt that Scott Rouse or any other WotC staffer was cackling to himself while telling us, "oh, no, no 4e is ever gonna happen anytime soon," while drafting plans to take over the gaming world with a new mind-controlling edition of D&D . . . Maybe. It is very likely 4e will reduce the "need" for such games. But there will always be a minority of gamers who just want to not like the current edition of D&D and want alternatives. I really doubt it. Paizo new that the print mags were ending (duh). Paizo knew WotC had plans for electronic versions of the mags, but didn't know any of the details. Many Paizo staffers probably expected the imminent release of 4e (cause they're smart guys and mostly ex-WotC staffers), but didn't have any more details than any other RPG company. Actually, Paizo's launch of Pathfinder was perfectly timed. They absolutely HAD to keep the momentum going with the loss of their flagship magazines. If Paizo had folded the mags and then not introducted Pathfinder until May, they would be so screwed. And while Paizo hasn't yet committed to the 4e switch, I'm positive they will and that the transition will be seamless. They'll have their second or third adventure path finish up in late spring or early summer next year, then simply start a new adventure path close to the release of 4e. They'll probably offer us 4e conversions of the existing Pathfinder material released up to that point as well. At least that's what I expect them to do. What I am worried about, for both Paizo and other great d20 RPG companies like Green Ronin, Malhavoc (yes, I know Monte's left the business . . . for now), and others is that they might not have access to the D&D Insider, specifically the gametable and character generators. Even if 4e has a generous OGL and/or SRD license available, if I can't build my D&D character with options from Paizo's latest Pathfinder supplement online with the new nifty character generator . . . I'm that much less likely to purchase the Pathfinder supplement in the first place. Maybe WotC will offer this capability to "proven" d20 companies . . . I certainly hope so . . . [/QUOTE]
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