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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Evilhalfling" data-source="post: 5251112" data-attributes="member: 16991">A slight tangent - I applaud 4e actually making clockwork horrors useable.I mean come on they were supposed to be little buggers that showed up in the thousands and ravaged worlds and yet thay all had less than 5HD So you could either throw just a few at low level parties, or throw many at highlevel characters who they would never hit.  They were designed to run as minions before the concept was presented for D&D.  Since it never occured to me, my Spelljammer games just did without these cool and evocative monsters. Plus - how much were all those valuable metal clockwork bodies worth?  an imporant constraint in earlier editions.  Since I have not yet run a campaign to paragon, ill prolly de-level them and use the concept as lower level threats.  In my world they are liable to come out of the same mad-scientist workshops that would produce a warforged. ill take a demon lord of artifice.  Speaking of which wasn't Baophet a master of sciences as well, or did they give in and allow his primative/beastial apperance to govern his mind?</blockquote>