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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 5252928" data-attributes="member: 6562">Well, yes. Demons pervert things. That's their "nature". That's why the Demon Lord of Fluffy Bunnies would still be a Demon Lord, and not merely a large fluffy bunny with a big house.In my setting, Demons were champions of life: corrupt, sick, terrible and twisted life, but life none the less. They were Succubi birthing cambions, they were Vrocks seeding foes with vines, they were Glabrezu granting perversions of wishes. They didn't want to kill the world, they wanted to make the world into yet another abyssal hellscape -- and in my game, that's exactly why the layers of the Abyss were uncountable: each layer was a world that had fallen to the race of demons, including the planet that gave rise to Elves, the one that forged Dwarves, etc.Orcus was a perversion, due to his fascination with the undead, but whatever. Demons are about perversion. A demon who perverts the foundations of demonhood is just getting demonic on his own demonhood.Devils, on the other hand, only wanted total obedience. If they had to kill you & reanimate your remains, that was 100% fine with them. Their spell-like ability list confirmed this (to my mind anyway): devils all get Animate Dead, while demons do not. So my campaign had diabolical forces being behind most Necromantic lore (including undead grafts), while forbidden demonic lore would tend towards living augmentations.Poisons, being often biological in origin yet being inimical to life, were the midpoint of demonic & diabolical philosophy, thus the Sinmaker's abode in Carceri was fortuitous.Anyway. IMC, demons weren't about killing everyone, they were about tempting & perverting everyone -- succubus, remember? Devils wanted everyone dead, but they were methodical about it.What would run wild, rampaging & killing everything in its path, for no apparent reason? Crazy things from the Far Realms. (Some of them anyway.) Oozes, (magical) beasts, uncontrolled undead -- dumb things. Maybe slaad, but not most other Outsiders.Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

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