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<blockquote data-quote="GreyICE" data-source="post: 6017408" data-attributes="member: 6684526">Okay, I'll be blunt:&nbsp; Why are people in the 4E forum complaining about how much 4E sucks?If you want a lot of fluff and backstory, both Monster Vault products are far better than the first Monster Manual.&nbsp; Hell, want a list of books with really good lore?Open Grave - EXCELLENT lore about the undead.&nbsp; Everything you could ever possibly want to know about using undead in your campaign.&nbsp; An A++ product, and a direct challenge to the idea that 4E has no monster fluff.&nbsp; Open Grave is probably the best D&amp;D manual on undead ever produced.&nbsp; Draconomicon - Wanna use dragons?&nbsp; Lore?&nbsp; LORE! LORE LORE LORE LORE!Demonomicon -&nbsp; Wanna use Demons?&nbsp; See above.Dark Sun Creature Catalogue - playing Dark Sun?&nbsp; Want to use Dark Sun monsters in your homebrewed setting?&nbsp; This should give you a thousand ideas.&nbsp; The Plane Above/The Plane Below - both more of a grab bag setting than a straight monster manual, but both include a pile of monsters, with lots of setting information.&nbsp; Monster Vault/MV Nentir Vale - a page or two of fluff and information for each monster.&nbsp; Completely great resource.If your purpose is to find a good Fourth Edition monster source with lots of setting information, pick and choose.&nbsp; Each one of those products is good to astonishingly brilliant.If your purpose is to come in here and complain about a 4 year old product that has been obsoleted by so many releases it's not even funny, welp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GreyICE, post: 6017408, member: 6684526"] Okay, I'll be blunt: Why are people in the 4E forum complaining about how much 4E sucks? If you want a lot of fluff and backstory, both Monster Vault products are far better than the first Monster Manual. Hell, want a list of books with really good lore? [B]Open Grave [/B]- EXCELLENT lore about the undead. Everything you could ever possibly want to know about using undead in your campaign. An A++ product, and a direct challenge to the idea that 4E has no monster fluff. Open Grave is probably the best D&D manual on undead ever produced. [B]Draconomicon[/B] - Wanna use dragons? Lore? LORE! LORE LORE LORE LORE! [B]Demonomicon[/B] - Wanna use Demons? See above. [B]Dark Sun Creature Catalogue[/B] - playing Dark Sun? Want to use Dark Sun monsters in your homebrewed setting? This should give you a thousand ideas. [B]The Plane Above/The Plane Below[/B] - both more of a grab bag setting than a straight monster manual, but both include a pile of monsters, with lots of setting information. [B]Monster Vault/MV Nentir Vale[/B] - a page or two of fluff and information for each monster. Completely great resource. If your purpose is to find a good Fourth Edition monster source with lots of setting information, pick and choose. Each one of those products is good to astonishingly brilliant. If your purpose is to come in here and complain about a 4 year old product that has been obsoleted by so many releases it's not even funny, welp. [/QUOTE]

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